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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: TheOnlyRogueAngel on Monday 06 May 19 07:31 BST (UK)
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Regina U. I. Skrabonia, aka Regina Wyper, married Aubrey J C Crumpler in 1959 in Winchester, Hampshire. They divorced, and she later married Ian D Hannah in 1964, also in Winchester, Hampshire.
Skrabonia is, from what I've read, a Polish name, and I've searched through what Polish birth records I could find and came up with nothing.
I can find no British birth record for Regina either, and wonder if there's a way to find out where she was born and when.?
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Do you believe that she is still alive?
Have you got the marriage certificate for Father's name?
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I have no idea if she is still alive. I last spoke to her in the late 1990's.
The 1959 marriage certificate is, according to GRO, unavailable. I have no idea what that means. Her 1964 marriage certificate doesn't state a father's name. It's blank.
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Living in Winchester at some point 2002-09 according to electoral roll, under remarried name.
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House sold in 2010.
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First? married Dec qtr 1948 Winchester (as Ursula) to Cyril James Wyper, who lived until 1976.
But births in Winchester following this marriage show a different maiden name - see FreeBMD.
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Oh.! :o That's new. I knew she used the name Wyper, but could never find a reason why (or marriage).. Thank you. :)
The house was sold in 2010. So she either moved to somewhere smaller.. moved in with one of her kids, or passed away.
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@avm228 - So now she's Ursula M. A. Skrabania, as well as using the surname Gerlich (Possibly).
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The 1959 marriage certificate is, according to GRO, unavailable. I have no idea what that means. Her 1964 marriage certificate doesn't state a father's name. It's blank.
The 1959 marriage has been transcribed as Audrey JC Crumpler marrying Regina U Skrabania:
SeptQ 1959 Winchester 6b 1770
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She died as Regina Ursula Hannah, 1 November 2009. Probate granted 1 April 2010 Winchester.
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@Nanny Jan, thank you. Yes, that's what I found, but the actual certificate is unavailable. I have no idea why or what that means. ???
@avm228. Thank you. So she has passed. :( I'm grateful that I at least have a legal name for her even if there's no birth record for it.
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Did you ask GRO why the certificate was unavailable? I've never heard of that.
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@nanny jan, I did, they wrote back and said they were unable to issue the certificate. No explanation about why, just that they were unable to issue it.
I don't know if him being a minor would have any bearing on it. I didn't think it would. He was 17 when they married.
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Apply for the 1948 marriage certificate for more information?
(1959 : Perhaps she forgot to divorce until after 1959 - or did you supply too much information, with a mistake in it?)
Added: Would need permission if minor?
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Did you apply using the exact names as I found? Being a minor would make no difference.
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@ chempat. I'm going to do that, now that I know there was one. :) I probably did send too much information, I'm very much a too much information, rather than not enough kind of person. :-[
@nanny jan, I gave them the name I had, Regina U. I. Skrabonia. It might be worth trying again with Regina U. Wyper, and see if that gets results. :)
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You have to give the exact spellings as shown on their index.
Audrey JC Crumpler and Regina U Skrabania.
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It’s possible she was e.g. German rather than Polish. Did she appear to have English as a first language or second language when you knew her?
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She spoke fluent English with an English accent. :)
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When I was a child a playmate had a completely Polish name but born to a Polish father and English mother in England.
Could Regina have been born in Scotland but left at an early age and so had an English accent?
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@nannyjan She might well have been. I am going to investigate the 1939 census to see if her surname shows up anywhere. :)
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As the births with Mr Wyper have a different maiden name, have you considered that surname also?
I think a child from another marriage also has a 'mmn' from a previous married surname, so rather a mix-up.
What year was she born?
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@chempat.. That's what I'm trying to work out. With her marriage in 1959, I was guess-timating around the mid-late 1930's.. but she marries first in 1948.. so I'm again guessing sometime around the late 1920's, maybe 1930.
I'm not ruling anything out at the moment.. Skrabonia, Skrabania, Skribania,even Gerlich..
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Despite the probate record, I can't find a suitable death registration for that date. was hoping the entry would give us her birthdate.
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[quote author=TheOnlyRogueAngel link=topic=812506.msg6729380#msg6729380 date=
I can find no British birth record for Regina either, and wonder if there's a way to find out where she was born and when? [/quote]
I was at primary school with Regina. She married at age 16 and my understanding was that she was born in Germany in 1943. Her mother was believed to be a widow when she married Cyril WYPER and mother’s maiden name GERLICH was recorded when their son Peter J. WYPER was registered.
I vaguely remember a male sibling[? or other relative?] of Regina came to the UK much later, which could account for the 2 SKRABANIA children born in the late ‘60s with mother’s maiden name LORD.
Ursula WYPER died in December 2007 and her ashes were interred at St Andrew's Churchyard, Chilcomb, a delightful ancient church on the S.E. outskirts of Winchester.
Could this be her German Lutheran baptism: Ursula Maria GERLACH in Deutschland? Sadly, I don't have a worldwide Ancestry subscription.
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Ursula is recorded as Ursula M A Skrabania on her marriage to Mr Wyper.
I could not see the death record for her year of birth, but an ER gives a suggested birth year of 1921-1923.
Ursula Maria Gerlach
Birth Date:8 Mar 1919
Baptism Date:20 May 1919
Baptism Place:Hannover, Hannover, Preußen (Germany)
Mother:Frieda Meta Emma Gerlach
Legitimacy:Unehelich
Parish as it Appears: Garten
Custodian:Evangelisches Kirchenbuchamt Hannover
Ursula Maria Gerlach
Birth Date:23 Nov 1923
Baptism Date: 5 June 1925
Baptism Place: Elbing St Annen, Germany
Father:Leonhard Gerlach
Mother: Maria Wilhelmine Auguste Gerlach
Author:Evangelische Kirche Sankt Annen Elbing
City or District:Elblag
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@dee-jay, Thank you so much for this.. I thought I was at a dead end with Regina. This is brilliant. :)
Although it still begs the question, where does the Skrabania surname come from, if her maiden name was Gerlich/Gerlach.?
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@chempat, thank you. This is certainly something to work on. :)
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@dee-jay, I get it now... d'uh.! ::)
Ursula M. A. Skrabania (nee Gerlich) married Cyril James Wyper, not her daughter Regina, which was what I had originally thought.
Hans-Werner G. H. Skrabania is her son, older or younger than Regina, I'm not sure.
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Hans-Werner is showing on ER's to 2010 giving suggested birth year around 1946.
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@chempat, thank you. :D
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I visited St Andrew’s Chilcomb Churchyard last weekend but could not find the small black marble stone commemorative of Regina’s mother Ursula where I’d seen it several years previously.
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@dee-jay, :o Oh.! Perhaps it got damaged and was removed, or maybe she was re-interred somewhere else. ???
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I still haven't seen it for myself but the Honorary Secretary to the Friends of St Andrew's Church, assisted by the Churchwarden, kindly located the tablet and extracted the following details:
Ursula
Margaret
Anneliese
Wyper
4.1.1921 - 11.12.2007
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That was very kind of them.
Perhaps someone related will see this topic and reply sometime in the future?
Pat