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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: nw_whiskers on Friday 03 May 19 09:36 BST (UK)
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His Grand Niece is trying to recreate the Fraser Family Tree for the 15 Siblings born in Scotland. Adam (b 24 Dec 1896) is believed to have landed Quebec in 1925 on Melita to see his brother Hugh (b 5 Sept 1882) at 202 Firth Avenue, Montreal. Adam could have been Apt3, 4136 Blvd Decorie, Montreal in 1930 or 1931 while working for the Canadian Pacific Railways. Adam was awarded a Military Cross for gallantry during WW1. Hugh is thought to be married and Adam's status is unknown. Any traces of them would be greatly appreciated by their modern day Fraser relatives.
Many thanks, nw_whiskers
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To help in the search - the shipping record gives Adam's father's name as J S Fraser, Free Stance? Arderser, Invernessshire
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1901 Scotland census
Kinbrace Station
James Shaw Fraser 44 Railway Stationmaster born Rosehall, sutherland
Jessie Fraser 42 Kingussie, Inverness
Jeannie E E Fraser 15 Clyne, sutherland
Annie Fraser 13 Clyne, sutherland
Edith G Fraser 11 Clyne, sutherland
Mary M Fraser 10 Clyne, sutherland
Ina Shaw Fraser 8 Clyne, sutherland
John Shaw Fraser 6 Petty Sutherland
Margaret Fraser 5 Petty Sutherland
Adam R Fraser 4 Petty Sutherland
James S Fraser 2 Petty Sutherland
Donald M Fraser 1 Kildonan, sutherland
Jessie Fraser 1 Month Kildonan, sutherland
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1891
East Brora Brora Railway Station
James Shaw Fraser 34 station master, Rosehall Creich, Sutherland
Jessie Fraser 32 Kingussie, Inverness
Hugh Alex Fraser 8 Kingussie, Inverness
Jennie E E Fraser 5 Clyne, Sutherland
Annie Fraser 3 Clyne, Sutherland
Eaith J Fraser 1 Clyne, Sutherland
Mary M Fraser 2 Months Clyne, Sutherland
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There is a Medal Roll Index card for a Hugh Alex Fraser Sgt 1/4 Seaforth Highlanders, 3/5 Seaforth Highlanders, 4/5th Seaforth Highlanders, Royal Field Artillery
Regimental Numbers - 1387, 241296, 2811864, 4/1
BUT there seems to be another Hugh Alex Fraser who married in Australia and another? one a doctor qualifying at Edinburgh 1879
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Dear Crisane, Yes, you are spot on with the Fraser Family Members but the "problem" is that the ones living in Scotland lost contact with Adam and Hugh at the time of WW1 for some reason or another? I will contact the Grand Niece for the Medal Transcript so that we have that bit right. We most certainly appreciate your reply and are looking in the direction of their death and marital status if that is possible as we think that is in Canada. Is there anything else we need to add to assist with this post?
Many thanks, nw_whiskers.
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Neither brother seems to show up on voters lists in Canada. Of course privacy is strict, no BMD records to search.
There is a burial of a Hugh Alexander Fraser at Les Jardins Commémoratifs Lakeview Memorial Gardens (Pointe-Claire) - Montreal Quebec. Born 1882 - passed away 1962 but no further information at moment to positively identify him.
The inscription is plainly - FRASER In loving memory of Hugh Alexander Fraser 1882 - 1962. ???
Sandra
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When was the last sighting of Hugh Fraser in Scotland ??? Did he appear on the 1911 census ??? Was he married in Scotland ???
Anyone found him on a passenger list ???
Sandra
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Dear Sandra, That is a "brilliant" reply as Hugh Alexander Fraser was thought (but the departure year may be wrong!) to have emigrated before WW1 after the rest of a close knit Fraser Family lost contact with him. It is reckoned that he was married but we have NO knowledge if it was in Scotland or Canada. His "memorial transcript" is a great bonus for us at this end as you have filled in one of the big questions about him for us.
Many thanks, nw_whiskers.
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There were a number of Hugh Fraser born about 1882 in Scotland living in Canada, so it doesn't necessarily mean that paticular memorial is your Hugh. It would need more proof.
Scotlands People does show a marriage of a Hugh Alexander Fraser to a Mary Gunn in Ardersier 1905 ??? Possible.
Hugh Alexander Fraser - Mary Gunn - 1905 - 091/A 4 - Ardersier
Sandra
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Dear Sandra, The Grand Niece has a 1911 Census Record for Hugh Alex Fraser at New Century Hotel, 133 Holm Street, Glasgow working as a Railway Clerk. So his departure to Canada would be after that date. There could have been a Family dispute over the "marriage" if it was in Scotland as they were a "very close knit" family as I know of them having married into the Fraser Family. My more modern generation would have NO problems in accepting his choice of life long partner.
We thought that it was Adam Robertson Fraser that was awarded the Military Cross for gallantry in 1918 but we are getting the transcript to "verify" this point.
Many thanks, nw_whiskers
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Dear Sandra, Wow, we are in "deep shock" over the marriage in Ardersier as none of us knew about that one but we will put maximum effort into working on that information. Believe it or not, I lived a few miles from Ardersier, Inverness, Scotland for many years and drove past there a few days ago. The Grand Niece who has worked on the Fraser Family Tree for almost 40 years is going to be in turmoil over the Gunn revelation and will burn the midnight oil over it.
I have learned a lot in the last three hours!
Many thanks, nw_whiskers
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Again, it is only a possible - purchase of the marriage certificate would prove one way or another.
Sandra
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Dear All, Yes, I fully agree with your comments so I will need to get my credit card out for the Scotlands People web site after I have recovered from the "shock and surprise". I knew James Shaw Fraser a lot better than the other ones of his generation that I met. The James Shaw Fraser Family Headstone is at Ardersier in beautiful White Marble (impressive !) plus several others in that small area of Scotland.
It will take us a few days for us to sort ourselves out with the results of this post.
Yes, we know about the "strict privacy" laws in Canada and respect them.
Again many thanks for your insight, expertise and resources, nw_whiskers
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Dear All, Sadly the marriage at Ardersier is another Hugh Fraser in the Seaforth Highlanders with parents James Fraser, Sawmiller and Mary Fraser nee Gunn so it is NOT the one we were looking for. Yes, Fort George is nearby which explains the military connection.
Yes, we appreciate the effort that went in to it and we are following up on the other posts on the subject.
Hugh Fraser's father was James Shaw Fraser, Station Master.
Many thanks, nw_whiskers
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Neither brother seems to show up on voters lists in Canada. Of course privacy is strict, no BMD records to search.
There is a burial of a Hugh Alexander Fraser at Les Jardins Commémoratifs Lakeview Memorial Gardens (Pointe-Claire) - Montreal Quebec. Born 1882 - passed away 1962 but no further information at moment to positively identify him.
The inscription is plainly - FRASER In loving memory of Hugh Alexander Fraser 1882 - 1962. ???
Sandra
Perhaps nw whiskers could contact the cemetery and get a date of death/date of burial etc. There might be an obituary in the Montreal Gazette - which is available online through the Google news archive. These papers aren't indexed, so you have to go to the date you want and look through it to find the obits. If you have a date of death/date of burial, this will narrow your search to just a few days/issues of the Gazette.
https://news.google.ca/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC
RK
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Seeing a Hugh A Fraser at 707 Galt Av, Montreal. Checked 1950, 1958 and 1960 Montreal Directories
http://bibnum2.banq.qc.ca/bna/lovell/index.html
RK
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1929-30 Montreal directory has a Hugh A Fraser, employee of the CNR (railroad), living at 220 First Avenue, Verdun
1940 Montreal directory has Hugh A Fraser, clerk CNR, 396 Moffatt Av, Verdun
Note - the 707 Galt Ave address in the 1950s directories has a (V) after it...likely Verdun, which is a part of Montreal.
RK
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1945 - H A Fraser, clerk CNR,
218 318 Osborne Ave (V).
Note - Sandra found a voters list from 1949 for Hugh and his wife at 318 Osborne Ave (see Reply 21 below)...I just rechecked the 1945 directory and increased the font a lot (so I could see it better!!). The address in the directory is 318 Osborne. :-[
RK
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1924-1925 Montreal Directory shows Hugh A Fraser at 202 First Ave, Verdun. (like the address you had for him, but it is First Ave, not Firth Ave.). Hugh is listed as an employee of the CNR.
RK
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Quick look in the 1964-1965 directory and there is no Hugh A Fraser.
I think the death that Sandra found for 1962 is looking very promising. Definitely worth checking :)
RK
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Canada Voters List 1949 - H A Fraser (retired) and Mrs H Fraser - 318 Oborne Ave. Verdun
Sandra
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Dear RunKitty, You have given us a lots of food for thought on Hugh Alex Fraser and your observations tie in with his Grand Niece's notes for Lovells Directory Montreal 1924-35 220 First Avenue, Verdun, Montreal but she has a few typos later in her "many, many" pages of notes! Yes, I reckon that the obituaries in the Montreal Gazette are a good bet for us to follow up on. It is like searching through the many sources of MI's in Scotland for 1700 - 1800 headstones to get at the older parts of the Family Tree - yes, it is a slog but on many times worth it!
We do appreciate your thoughts and work in digging out these nuggets on Hugh Alex Fraser.
Many thanks, nw_whiskers.
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Dear Sandra, That is "great" as we now have a clear view of a Mrs H Fraser - 318 Oborne Ave. Verdun
As an "old guy" I will need to run a lot faster to keep up with the pace you are all setting!
Many thanks for that, nw_whiskers.
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You are welcome :)
Don't blame the Grandniece for the typos...looks like the error was made on the 1925 passenger list. It says Adam Robertson Fraser is going to his brother at 202 Firth Ave, Verdun, Montreal.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nqv/
Just had a quick look online...there is a 202 First Ave, Verdun, but no 202 Firth Ave Verdun...so First ave (as it says in the Montreal Directory) must be correct.
RK
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No initials in those entries for Mrs Fraser RK ?
Sandra
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Unfortunately not :'(, there are no initials for a Mrs Fraser with Hugh Fraser. Only his name is listed in the directories that I checked. Sometimes a wife's name is mentioned in parentheses, but not for Hugh.
RK
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Thought so , just checking ;) Certainly illusive. No sign of Adam... :-\
Sandra
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Dear All, Yes, there are a few typos about when we read the 1925 immigration record as the James Shaw Fraser family stayed at the "Free Manse" with the Minister when they run out of space at home. Also "Dalcross" is the local district name but these are small points in the passing. Yes, I have looked at two or three of newspapers death reports for Frasers but that will take some time unless the Grandniece has a few bright ideas on the subject.
Again many thanks for your efforts, nw_whiskers
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Dear All, The Military Cross was awarded to Lieut. A. R. Fraser 13th Battalion Tank Corps, as Tank Commander near Hallu on 10 Aug 1918. Lieut. Fraser is the son of Mr and Mrs J. S. Fraser, Kinbrace, Sutherland which is correct by the Census info as they were there for many years. I hope that this clears up the point that was made in one of the earlier posts.
Many thanks, nw_whiskers.
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The Military Cross was awarded to Lieut. A. R. Fraser 13th Battalion Tank Corps, as Tank Commander near Hallu on 10 Aug 1918.
I was just tracking that around! I don't know if this will give you anymore information than what you already have, but maybe ask the Archives what all is in here:
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1156187
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Apologies if I missed a post on Hugh's passenger list to Canada:
Name: Hugh Alex Fraser
Arrival Age: 28
Birth Year: 1883
Departure Port: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 3 Aug 1911
Arrival Port: Quebec, Canada
Vessel: Empress of Britain
Occupation in country you left: clerk
Intended occupation in Canada: clerk
Only one listed for his ticket number
Destination: Winnipeg
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Dear bbart, The 3 Aug 1911 arrival in Canada of Hugh Alex Fraser is a great find for his Fraser relatives as he was the one they new "least about" but was seen as the eldest of the siblings. It gives his life span in Canada a very worthwhile dimension which pleases us greatly.
Many thanks for your valued work, nw_whiskers
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It is fairly certain that Adam Robertson Fraser returned to the UK by 1939 but we are not sure if there are "departure records" for Canada. Yes, we have been on the Canada "arrivals database" with good success. Many thanks for your thoughts, nw_whiskers
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The Hugh Alexander Fraser born 1882 at Invertromie, Kingussie, Scotland grandchildren might be interested in seeing an image of his sister Edith J Fraser who sadly pre deceased him by more than two decades. nw_whiskers