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Good morning, my first post on RootsChat so please be gentle ;D
According to the 1851 census, Emmanuel was born in Eastrea and gave his age as 54. From other searches it would seem Eastrea had it's own church up to the 18th century but as far as I can find out Whittlesey or Coates then became the parish church for Eastrea.
Kisby was an extremely common name in the area and it would seem Emmanuel was used for many of the first born.
Any help in tracing birth or baptism records would be gratefully received.
Spencer
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Will help soonMargaret.
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Morning, Coates near Whittlesey.
burial Emanuel Kisby.28.7.1856 aged 61 of Six Sail Mill.
Whittlesey St Mary,bapts emanuel kisby 7.3.1823 son of emanuel/jane.
banns 19.5.1816 emanuel kisby=jane peckins maybe perkins??
marriage24.10.1842,emanuel kisby, under 21, son of emanuel, of kingsland mill
= elizabeth cave also, same address dau, james,
witts were mathew/ann kisby.
Margaret.
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Welcome to Rootschat.
Have you tried to narrow down Emanuels Parents by the names of his and Janes children?
They christened;
Levi 1817
Ann 1818
Elizabeth 1820
James 1822
Matthew 1825
Mary 1830
Cant see a christening for John c 1833-35
(Familysearch.Org)
Sorry I dont have access to Parish Records but hopefully someone else can help :)
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Excellent stuff, thank you Margaret. That was a great help but now I would like to go back one generation. According to the 1841 Census for Whitllesey there was another family of Kisby's - John and Mary - living in Towns End Peterboro and who seem to be about the right age for Emmanuel's parents at his birth (28 and 18).
I know it's a long shot but living near each other and being the right age?? Have you got anything that might prove (or disprove) this theory?
Thanks
Spencer
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Trish
Thanks for that but as you can see from my reply to Margaret I'm now looking to go back one generation to Emmanuel's parents. Anything you've got on them would be good.
Spencer
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whittlesey st andrews.
bapt6.9.1691 john kisby son edward.
bapt 8.9.1833 john son emanuel/jane.
banns 5.4.1840 john kisby= mary blunt.
marriage Whittlesey st mary john kisby full age, of south bank son charles=mary blunt full age of eastrea da batson, witts were john/sabra blunt.
bapts 12,11.1703 john son william/mary. W.S.M.
bapts, 3.9.1796 john son william/susan.
burial in 1802 and 1808 a John kisby.
burial 5.1.1845 mary of coates 15years.
bapts 30.11.1810 john son charles/sarah.
bapts 30.11.1841 john son john/mary, of south bank whittlesey.
Margaret.
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Thanks Margaret. Unfortunately none of those dates will fit Emmanuel's parents. Emmanuel was born around 1797 so his parents would need to have been married around 1795 and born around 1775 give or take 10 years.
Looks like I'll have to give up the search for the moment
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Late to the party here, sorry, but interesting to see Emmanuel Kisby come up here! Are you a descendant of Emmanuel and Jane, Spencer?
Having studied the Kisbys in Whittlesey and Coates for over 20 years, my hunch is Emmanuel's parents may be John and Ann Kisby, who baptised a son Levi Kisby on 20 Oct 1799 in St Mary's Church, Whittlesey. I have never found a baptism record for Emmanuel, but maybe John and Ann had moved into the area? Levi named his first son John, his second son Robert (after the in-law) and his third son Emanuel.
A burial of a John Kisby is recorded in Whittlesey in 1802 and a burial of an Ann Kisby, widow, is recorded in 1804. These may be the same John and Ann, but the priest at St Mary's church wasn't exactly generous with his information in that period, so difficult to conclusively prove.
There was also a William Kisby, born circa 1795, living with his family in the area at the time of the 1841 census. His first three sons were named John, William and Levi. Possibly (but no proof) William was another brother of Levi (1799) and therefore a son of John/Ann. I believe William and family emigrated to Illinois, USA in the 1840s - coincidentally (or maybe not) Levi (1799)'s children Emanuel, Levi and Sarah emigrated to Illinois in the early 1850s. Perhaps they were following their uncle William, who knows?
Anyway, hope that helps somewhat.
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I had almost forgotten this request! Thanks for coming back to me. I haven't studied your information in depth yet but I will do so (I seem to have quite a lot of time on my hands at the moment! :) )
If I've done my research properly I am the 3x great grandson of Emmanuel Kisby. I believe you may be right in your hunch about his parent being John Kisby but I hadn't made the connection with Levi, his brother.
It would be great to find the marriage record for John and Ann so I could put a birth surname to Ann. Now you've aroused my interest I go back and do a bit more work.
Thanks for your interest. I'll report back in due course.
Spencer
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Possible Marriage?
Anne TYARS
John KISBY
29 Sep 1795, St Mary, Wisbech
Bachelor/Spinster
Witnesses, Cleer LEVERINGTON/Sarah BEDMER
Note All parties made mark
(Source FreeREG)
Trish :)
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Hi Trish
Now that is far more likely than the suggestions in Ancestry. Someone has put in their tree a marriage of John Kisby in Clerkenwell of all places! On top of that he was only 9 years old when he married Ann Miller! And to cap it all he moved to Whittlesey where Emmanuel was born!
Whittlesey is in the back of beyond even now and before the advent of the railways I doubt very much that an Ag Lab could afford a coach.
I will follow your suggestion faithfully along with that of Seank. I think I am now a whole lot closer to identifying the correct family. I'll come back when I've added all the names into my tree.
Thanks for your help.
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Your welcome, good luck :)
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Hi Seank
Could you please give me a bit more detail about the burial records of John and Ann in 1802 and 1804. I've tried all the links I have (Ancestry, FreeReg, CFHS and FamilySearch) but can't find John or Ann.
Thanks
Spencer
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Not much more information than that really. In the burial registers of St Mary's church on 17th July 1802 is listed "John Kisby" and on 8th Feb 1804 is listed "Ann KISBY - w". The other burials in that period relate to the children of John and Mary Kisby of Whittlesey (I think you mentioned them above) - their son John was still alive in the 1850s, as far as I know their only child that survived to adulthood - so the burial of John Kisby doesn't refer to him.
Certainly Wisbech is within easier travelling distance to Whittlesey than London. It will be interesting to know if John and Anne (Tyars) Kisby christened children in Wisbech. From memory, the Wisbech church registers were not available on line, I think they were accessible at the local history centre in Wisbech. Though I've managed to visit Whittlesey, Coates, March and Spalding in the past, I haven't got as far as Wisbech yet (I live in Cardiff, which is a long trek).
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Thanks for that. I am a member of the Cambridgeshire FHS and I was hoping they had got the info on line but according to this website https://bit.ly/2LdnHmF they haven't got round to Wisbech St Mary yet.
I'm a little bit closer than you to Wisbech (Colchester) but I guess the boys in blue wouldn't consider my trip to look at the parish records as being absolutely necessary ;)
Until I can get there myself I'll use your information in my tree.
Incidentally, I've just realised that I've met you on line many years ago via http://kisby.one-name.net/ I seem to recall asking you for some information a long while ago.