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Title: Approx date of soldiers, Richard Kinmel camp North wales American Galleries
Post by: Deirdre784 on Monday 22 April 19 18:22 BST (UK)

Hi, trying to find out who the 2 soldiers are by getting an idea of the date. Would it be around ww1? The back says ‘my uncle Richard is sitting down’ but it doesn’t help at the moment as we don’t know who wrote the note either! Thanks.

Title: Re: Approx date of soldiers, Richard Kinmel camp North wales American Galleries
Post by: a-l on Tuesday 23 April 19 11:28 BST (UK)

World War 1

Title: Re: Approx date of soldiers, Richard Kinmel camp North wales American Galleries
Post by: Deirdre784 on Tuesday 23 April 19 11:36 BST (UK)

Thanks a-l (no closer to finding out who he is but good to know the timeframe).

Title: Re: Approx date of soldiers, Richard Kinmel camp North wales American Galleries
Post by: tomkin on Tuesday 23 April 19 13:18 BST (UK)

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Title: Re: Approx date of soldiers, Richard Kinmel camp North wales American Galleries
Post by: ainslie on Tuesday 23 April 19 13:28 BST (UK)

These look much more like British soldiers.  Canadian uniforms had collar badges and different tunics.
The badges might be Royal Welsh Fusiliers and the belts possibly earlier than 1914.
Let the experts in !

Title: Re: Approx date of soldiers, Richard Kinmel camp North wales American Galleries
Post by: Deirdre784 on Tuesday 23 April 19 13:45 BST (UK)

This is a Patagonian family with links to north Wales (Caernarfonshire). Extended family links to USA and Canada.

Title: Re: Approx date of soldiers, Richard Kinmel camp North wales American Galleries
Post by: Deirdre784 on Tuesday 23 April 19 14:29 BST (UK)

Found out who it was, Richard (Ricardo) Jones, born in England in 1881 shortly before the family emigrated to Patagonia. His parents Humphrey and Annie were from North Wales. Not sure how he came to be in north Wales, or the army, though.

Title: Re: Approx date of soldiers, Richard Kinmel camp North wales American Galleries
Post by: MIG79 on Tuesday 23 April 19 14:54 BST (UK)

Kinmel Camp is an interesting topic in itself.
Some would say there was something of a cover up. There was even a TV docu drama based on the events there some years ago now.

It was a transit camp for Canadian troops.

If you haven't already found it on Wikipedia try below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinmel_Camp

Then look at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinmel_Park_mutiny

BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/wales/entries/cfb526c8-186d-3afe-b3e0-095c8898f868

The riot was a matter of fact and took place in 1919. The camp is just 10 minutes from my house so will be fascinated to see if you can identify them.
Regards
Ian

Title: Re: Approx date of soldiers, Richard Kinmel camp North wales American Galleries
Post by: Deirdre784 on Tuesday 23 April 19 14:57 BST (UK)

Thanks for the links Ian, will look at them now.

Title: Re: Approx date of soldiers, Richard Kinmel camp North wales American Galleries
Post by: Deirdre784 on Tuesday 23 April 19 17:41 BST (UK)

Interesting reading Ian thanks. Not something i’d heard about before.

Not sure if it relates to Richard though. An older brother had moved to Canada and settled there but no idea about Richard, thought he stayed in Patagonia. More research needed I think.   

Title: Re: Approx date of soldiers, Richard Kinmel camp North wales American Galleries
Post by: Raybistre on Tuesday 23 April 19 20:23 BST (UK)

You may already have this information.
The American Galleries had branches at:
7 Lime Street, Liverpool;
259 Argyle Street, Glasgow;
19 High Street, Rhyl;
Kinmel Camp, nr. Abergele;
Etc., Etc.

taken from the back of an old photo.

The Camp appeared to have been built in 1914 so that is the earliest date for your photo.
https://rhylhistoryclub.wordpress.com/2016/04/24/kinmel-park-camp/

Ray

Title: Re: Approx date of soldiers, Richard Kinmel camp North wales American Galleries
Post by: Deirdre784 on Tuesday 23 April 19 21:04 BST (UK)

Cheers Ray, nothing further found yet 🤔

Title: Re: Approx date of soldiers, Richard Kinmel camp North wales American Galleries
Post by: Treetotal on Friday 26 April 19 14:24 BST (UK)

Hi Deirdre, It might get more attention on the armed forces board. You could ask a moderator to move it for you.
Carol

Title: Re: Approx date of soldiers, Richard Kinmel camp North wales American Galleries
Post by: Deirdre784 on Friday 26 April 19 15:33 BST (UK)

Thanks Carol, think my biggest problem is working out why he appears to be in Wales. No passenger record found - so far - of him leaving Patagonia 🤔

Title: Re: Approx date of soldiers, Richard Kinmel camp North wales American Galleries
Post by: Deirdre784 on Friday 26 April 19 23:36 BST (UK)

Quote from: Treetotal on Friday 26 April 19 14:24 BST (UK)

Hi Deirdre, It might get more attention on the armed forces board. You could ask a moderator to move it for you.
Carol

Thanks Carol, have asked for it to be moved now.