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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: rgferg65 on Monday 22 April 19 04:46 BST (UK)
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Looking for any information regarding Edward Mcguiness, wife Elizabeth(ne Grimley), married at R.C. chapel of Keady 9th May 1867, their parents, Son Peter, also when they might have migrated to Co Durham U.K.
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C Reg Marriage results for grimley from 1867 to 1867 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01now/
image not online yet!
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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There are no passenger records for travel between Armagh and England. It was (and still is) a short domestic journey and no records have ever been kept on that type of journey.
Peter McGuinness was born in the townland of Drumgreenagh on 27.8.1869. I checked the Valuation Revision records to see if the family is listed there around that time. They are not. So either they didn’t stay there very long or their house was of too low a value to be worth listing. (Edward was a flax scutcher so is likely to have lived in a labourer’s cottage. Often they were too poor quality to be worth valuing).
Look at when the family first show up in England eg birth of a child or the 1871 census, and that will tell you roughly when they moved. Most couples had children fairly regularly, so if Peter was the only one born in Ireland, then it was probably a year or so after that.
If looking for parents, you should get the fathers' names from the civil marriage certificate. You can view it on the GRONI site for £2.50.
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Thankyou Elwyn will do
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...Peter McGuinness was born in the townland of Drumgreenagh....
Drumgreenagh in the Civil Parish of Derrynoose, Co. Armagh
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/armagh/derrynoose/drumgreenagh/
KG
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Edward son of Peter
Elizabeth dtr of John
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGXS-9V1
A Peter McGuinness age 84 a widower and army pensioner died Knockaconey 1895
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05933/4685231.pdf
while there is no proof that he is Edward's father he appears to be the only death in Armagh
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Relative ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Grange/Knockaconey/1012757/
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Sarah 1871
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03288/2204810.pdf
daughter Anne born about 2yrs later in Kelloe,Durham
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q271-HXGF
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When you get the marriage cert if Elizabeth's father John Grimley turns up to be a shoemaker these might be two sibling's Alice 1864 and Mary 1866 to John Grimley and Mary Cassily both born Keady
Alice
99
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03619/2335615.pdf
Mary
215
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03511/2291061.pdf
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Hi Dathai thanks for the info, it helped me so I now know they moved from Ireland sometime between 1871-1873, was unable to get exact date could not see post info.
Also where Sarah was born Could not decipher the name, was it Drumgreenah do you know? is that near or in Keady Armagh?.
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Hi
yes Sarah was born in Drumgreenagh, i am from Dublin so not familiar with the townland's in the northern counties so cant answer your question on that one.
re the marriage most marriages took place in the brides parish so Edward may not be from the area at all
though Elizabeth's father John Grimley appears to be there circa 1864
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/armagh/derrynoose.htm
interesting to note that their eldest child Margaret was born in Trimdon,Durham 17th Feb 1868 so some toing and froing going on ?
baptism cert number 175 bottom right
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9GY-YW8R?i=128
Catherine married James Quinn in 1903 with a Eugene McGuinness of Burrell St,Kelloe as witness
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9GY-YWR2?i=376
Mariam married John Johnson in 1898
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9GY-YW5W?i=371
Anna married Hugh Halligan in 1893
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9GY-YWRX?i=366
Sarah married Hugh Durkan in 1893
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9GY-YWP1?i=365
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Just remembered when a priest writes Owen in Latin he records it as Eugene
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSC2-WX1
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Also where Sarah was born Could not decipher the name, was it Drumgreenah do you know? is that near or in Keady Armagh?.
See the info in my Reply #5
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Hi Dathi Once again thank you for this information, Living in Australia it is difficult to obtain without a big spend. I am having trouble finding exactly where Edward/Peter are buried, they were catholics so I presume they would have been buried at Metal Bridge cemetery/Thinford?, could you tell me how to go about locating them.
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I see by 1911 census that Elizabeth is a widow
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWH3-W9Y
so this might be Edwards death in 1908
right hand page 2nd from top
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9GY-YW6L?i=563
you would probably be better off starting a new thread on the Durham board with a link to this one to let those researching know what's been found.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/durham/
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As you could see by 1901 census Elizabeth was 56 and 1911 age 74
perhaps this is her death 1921 age 78 which might be more accurate as she would be intitled to old age pension
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVHS-64HX
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For reference here's the church record of the marriage in 1867- middle of right hand page-
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632549#page/175/mode/1up
You can easily and inexpensively view the civil marriage record online through GRONI's site (General Register Office of Northern Ireland)- you just need to register then purchase a few credits-
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
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Anne Halligan nee McGuinness died in Chicago 1958
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVRN-S26D
appears to have immigrated around 1910
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJ3C-JZ1
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Thanks Dathai Especially for that last piece of information for Ann Halligan