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Title: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: rgferg65 on Monday 22 April 19 04:46 BST (UK)
Looking for any information regarding Edward Mcguiness, wife Elizabeth(ne Grimley), married at R.C. chapel of Keady 9th May 1867, their parents, Son Peter, also when they might have migrated to Co Durham U.K.
Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: hallmark on Monday 22 April 19 05:36 BST (UK)


C Reg Marriage results for grimley from 1867 to 1867 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01now/

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Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: hallmark on Monday 22 April 19 05:38 BST (UK)




https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line




Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Monday 22 April 19 07:10 BST (UK)
There are no passenger records for travel between Armagh and England. It was (and still is) a short domestic journey and no records have ever been kept on that type of journey.

Peter McGuinness was born in the townland of Drumgreenagh on 27.8.1869. I checked the Valuation Revision records to see if the family is listed there around that time. They are not. So either they didn’t stay there very long or their house was of too low a value to be worth listing. (Edward was a flax scutcher so is likely to have lived in a labourer’s cottage. Often they were too poor quality to be worth valuing).

Look at when the family first show up in England eg birth of a child or the 1871 census, and that will tell you roughly when they moved. Most couples had children fairly regularly, so if Peter was the only one born in Ireland, then it was probably a year or so after that.

If looking for parents, you should get the fathers' names from the civil marriage certificate. You can view it on the GRONI site for £2.50.

Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: rgferg65 on Monday 22 April 19 07:43 BST (UK)
Thankyou Elwyn will do
Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Monday 22 April 19 11:05 BST (UK)

...Peter McGuinness was born in the townland of Drumgreenagh....



Drumgreenagh in the Civil Parish of Derrynoose, Co. Armagh
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/armagh/derrynoose/drumgreenagh/

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Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: dathai on Monday 22 April 19 11:09 BST (UK)
Edward son of Peter
Elizabeth dtr of John
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGXS-9V1

A Peter McGuinness age 84 a widower and army pensioner died Knockaconey 1895
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05933/4685231.pdf

while there is no proof that he is Edward's father he appears to be the only death in Armagh
Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: dathai on Monday 22 April 19 11:15 BST (UK)
Relative ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Grange/Knockaconey/1012757/
Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: dathai on Monday 22 April 19 11:41 BST (UK)
Sarah 1871
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03288/2204810.pdf

daughter Anne born about 2yrs later in Kelloe,Durham
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q271-HXGF
Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: dathai on Monday 22 April 19 12:49 BST (UK)
When you get the marriage cert if Elizabeth's father John Grimley turns up to be a shoemaker these might be two sibling's Alice 1864 and Mary 1866 to John Grimley and Mary Cassily both born Keady

Alice
99
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03619/2335615.pdf

Mary
215
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03511/2291061.pdf

Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: rgferg65 on Tuesday 23 April 19 02:51 BST (UK)
Hi Dathai thanks for the info, it helped me so I now know they moved from Ireland sometime between 1871-1873, was unable to get exact date could not see post info.
Also where Sarah was born Could not decipher the name, was it Drumgreenah do you know?  is that near or in Keady Armagh?.
Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: dathai on Tuesday 23 April 19 07:28 BST (UK)
Hi
     yes Sarah was born in Drumgreenagh, i am from Dublin so not familiar with the townland's in the northern counties so cant answer your question on that one.

re the marriage most marriages took place in the brides parish so Edward may not be from the area at all

though Elizabeth's father John Grimley appears to be there circa 1864
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/armagh/derrynoose.htm

interesting to note that their eldest child Margaret was born in Trimdon,Durham 17th Feb 1868 so some toing and froing going on ?

baptism cert number 175 bottom right
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9GY-YW8R?i=128

Catherine married James Quinn in 1903 with a Eugene McGuinness of Burrell St,Kelloe as witness
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9GY-YWR2?i=376

Mariam married John Johnson in 1898
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9GY-YW5W?i=371

Anna married Hugh Halligan in 1893
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9GY-YWRX?i=366

Sarah married Hugh Durkan in 1893
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9GY-YWP1?i=365
Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: dathai on Tuesday 23 April 19 07:40 BST (UK)
Just remembered when a priest writes Owen in Latin he records it as Eugene
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSC2-WX1
Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Tuesday 23 April 19 10:04 BST (UK)

Also where Sarah was born Could not decipher the name, was it Drumgreenah do you know?  is that near or in Keady Armagh?.


See the info in my Reply #5
Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: rgferg65 on Wednesday 24 April 19 01:24 BST (UK)
Hi Dathi Once again thank you for this information, Living in Australia it is difficult to obtain without a big spend. I am having trouble finding exactly where Edward/Peter are buried, they were catholics so I presume they would have been buried at Metal Bridge cemetery/Thinford?, could you tell me how to go about locating them.
Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 24 April 19 07:55 BST (UK)
I see by 1911 census that Elizabeth is a widow
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWH3-W9Y

so this might be Edwards death in 1908
right hand page 2nd from top
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9GY-YW6L?i=563

you would probably be better off starting a new thread on the Durham board with a link to this one to let those researching know what's been found.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/durham/
Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 24 April 19 08:02 BST (UK)
As you could see by 1901 census Elizabeth was 56 and 1911 age 74
perhaps this is her death 1921 age 78 which might be more accurate as she would be intitled to old age pension
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVHS-64HX
Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 24 April 19 08:20 BST (UK)
For reference here's the church record of the marriage in 1867- middle of right hand page-
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632549#page/175/mode/1up

You can easily and inexpensively view the civil marriage record online through GRONI's site (General Register Office of Northern Ireland)- you just need to register then purchase a few credits-
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 24 April 19 12:00 BST (UK)
Anne Halligan nee McGuinness died in Chicago 1958
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVRN-S26D

appears to have immigrated around 1910
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJ3C-JZ1

Title: Re: Edward Elizabeth Mcguiness, Keady, Armagh
Post by: rgferg65 on Wednesday 24 April 19 23:27 BST (UK)
Thanks Dathai  Especially for that last piece of information for Ann Halligan