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Hi. A while back I saw a thread on rootsweb concerning the papist return of 1767 for Richard Rigby of Haighton. I can no longer find the thread, but wish to revue the information. I have been in touch with the parliament archives, but they could not help me. If anyone could do a look up it would be appreciated. Many thanks
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nog/
is this it?
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Yes hepburn it is. Still looking for Richards father!!!! I have a hunch it’s a Nicholas Rigby because of a possible naming pattern
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Maybe I didn’t make my request clear enough. The thread wasn’t on here, but on rootsweb? Is this now run by Ancestry? I think the thread was initially about a William Rigby marriage to Anne Gournall. Sorry for the confusion.
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“Returns of Papists, 1767, Dioceses of England and Wales, except Chester” trans. E.S. Worrall, Catholic Record Society (Occasional Pub No. 2) (1989) has -
p.144
180 Broughton A List of the Papists in Haighton in the Chapelry of Broughton and Parish of Preston.
p.146
[Name Age Occupation Residence]
Richard Rigby 40 Husbandman 3 months
his Wife 47
Nicholas 21
George 19
Richard 17
William 14
James 12
Elizabeth 9
Alice 4
There is no other information. Hope it helps.
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Wow, thanks lancaster Jim. At least it gives me a possible dob for Richard. Much appreciated!
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> At least it gives me a possible dob for Richard.
There are no Catholic baptism registers from this period – it would have been dangerous to keep such, as Catholics (Papists) were treated with suspicion and at times were persecuted.
The nearest Catholic mission was quite close to Haighton, at Fernyhalgh. Its surviving registers were transcribed and published by the Catholic Record Society (CRS) about 100 years ago BUT they only start in 1771
The 1767 Return of Papists published by the CRS was transcribed over 40 years ago, when computers were not available to most people. Pencil and paper, and typewriters would have been used, so it would not have been easy to check the transcript. With that in mind, I am suspicious of Richard's age – 40 years. His wife is stated as 47 years, and his son, Nicholas, as 21 years. If these ages are correct. Nicholas was born when Richard was 19 and his wife 26. Yes, these are possible ages. I wonder if Richard's age should have been 46, as 0 and 6 can be confused in some hands. Likewise, it is possible his wife's age MAY have been 41 as 1 and 7 may be confused.
The local Anglican church was probably St John the Baptist, Broughton. Its parish registers start in 1653 and have been transcribed and published by the Lancashire Parish Register Society (LPRS). These are probably too late for Richard's marriage. As Broughton was in the ancient parish of Preston, Richard's marriage may have been celebrated there, but the LPRS does not seem to have transcribed these registers. The situation is further complicated by Richard and his family having been resident in Haighton for only 3 months when the Return was made and there is no indication of where they lived prior to this.
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Using the Lancashire On-Line Parish Clerk site (http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html ) and looking for Richard Rigby buried 1787+/-20 years showed -
Burial: 24 Apr 1803 St John the Baptist, Broughton, Lancashire, England
Richd. Rigby -
Age: 83
Abode: Haighton
Register: Burials 1759 - 1803, Page 60, Entry 7
Source: LDS Film 1470861
This suggests that he was born ca 1820. This site also has the following that MIGHT be this family -
Burial: 9 Apr 1780 St John the Baptist, Broughton, Lancashire, England
Ellen Rigby - Wife of Richd. Rigby
Abode: Haighton
Register: Burials 1759 - 1803, Page 25, Entry 26
Source: LDS Film 1470861
Marriage: 7 Nov 1774 St John the Baptist, Broughton, Lancashire, England
Nicholas Rigby - Husbandman, Haighton in this Chapelry within the Parish of Preston
Jennet Carter - (X), Spinster, Broughton in this Chapelry within the Parish of Preston
Witness: Wm. Blacow; John Arkwright
Banns Read: 23 Oct 1774, 2nd: 30 Oct 1774, 3rd: 6 Nov 1774
Married by Banns by: Ran: Andrews, Vicar
Register: Marriages 1754 - 1805, Page 27, Entry 109
Source: LDS Film 1470861
Marriage: 23 Sep 1783 St John the Baptist, Broughton, Lancashire, England
Richard Rigby - Husbandman, Haighton in the Parish of Preston
Mary Forrest - (X), Broughton in the Parish of Preston
Witness: Mary Dunderdale, (X); John Arkwright
Banns Read: 7 Sep 1783, 2nd: 14 Sep 1783, 3rd: 21 Sep 1783
Married by Banns by: George Charnley, Curate
Register: Marriages 1754 - 1805, Page 43, Entry 171
Source: LDS Film 1470861
Marriage: 1 May 1775 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
William Rigby - (X), Husbandman, Haighton of this Parish
Anne Gornall - Spinster, Fulwood in the Parish of Lancaster
Witness: Henry Barns; Nicholas Rigby
Married by Licence by: R. Andrews Curate of Broughton
Notes: [Bride signed] Ann Rigby late Gornall
Register: Marriages 1754 - 1778, Page 42, Entry 1075
Source: LDS Film 1278740
Marriage: 28 Jul 1782 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
James Rigby - Husbandsman, Haighton in the Chapelry of Broughton in the parish of Preston
Elizabeth Ward - Spinster, Haighton in the Chapelry of Broughton in the parish of Preston
Witness: Robert Townley; Henry Simpson
Married by Licence by: Josh. Southward Curate
Register: Marriages 1778 - 1785, Page 82, Entry 240
Source: LDS Film 94013
Marriage: 26 Jul 1785 St Anne, Woodplumpton, Lancashire, England
Richard Rawsthorne - (X), Haighton in the Parish of Broughton
Elizabeth Rigby - Haighton in the Parish of Broughton
Witness: John Crook; Thos. Cookson
Married by: Matthew Worthington Curate
Notes: [Neither Banns nor Licence specified]
Register: Marriages 1784 - 1803, Page 4, Entry 10
Source: LDS Film 1470949
Marriage: 15 May 1784 St John the Baptist, Broughton, Lancashire, England
Richard Mayor - Haighton in the Parish of Preston
Alice Rigby - (X), Haighton in the Parish of Preston
Witness: Betty Rigby; John Arkwright
Banns Read: 18 Apr 1784, 2nd: 25 Apr 1784, 3rd: 2 May 1784
Married by Banns by: Geo: Charnley, Curate
Notes: [Groom signed] Richd. Mayor
Register: Marriages 1754 - 1805, Page 44, Entry 177
Source: LDS Film 1470861
There is also this one from a nearby place -
Marriage: 10 Apr 1804 St Mary the Virgin, Goosnargh, Lancashire, England
George Rigby - (X), Goosnargh
Ellen Miller - (X), Goosnargh
Witness: Richard Rigby, (X); Henry Grimbalston
Married by Banns by: Joshua Southward Minister
Notes: Banns published; dates not given; Brides status not given
Register: Marriages 1784 - 1812, Entry 641
Source: LDS Film 1470930
Hope these help.
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Thank you lancaster Jim, a great help. Just so many Rigby’s! I have wondered also about a Fulwood connection. I did find an entry for a Nicholas Rigby in estates of lancashire papists, for 1723/24, yeoman. Nicholas had a wife Alice, and these names feature in the family. There is also land records for Heskin, Miller estate, for Nicholas Rigby in 1721, and the same, Miller estate for Richard and Ellen from Haighton 1775. Truly fascinating! The Singleton connection is intriguing too. Many thanks again.
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I also wondered about the age gap between Richard and Ellen. However there was a similar age gap between one set of my 5x great-grandparents whom I mentioned on the other thread about Richard Rigby's family.
Mine was also Richard. He married, aged 18; bride was 24. Their ages were recorded in C. of E. marriage register. These ages correspond to their ages on 1767 Return. He was included in C. of E. baptism register. Bride was not born in the parish. Their wedding was one of the earliest in Catholic marriage register. Their children were in C. of E. and R.C. baptism registers. My Richard died aged 41. Widow remarried in her 50s (2 wedding ceremonies again) and survived until her 80s.
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**IF** the Richard Rigby, aged 83 and of Haighton, who was buried at St John the Baptist, Broughton, in April 1803, were the same person as the Richard aged 40, of Haighton in the 1767 Return of Papists, then this would support my concern about the transcription, 40 years being recorded rather than 46.
The original Returns are in the House of Lords Archives and many years ago I obtained photocopies of the Returns for the Parish of Bury. I noticed there were some small discrepancies between the original and the CRS transcript, e.g. Helen for Ellen.
Thank you for reminding us of the possibility of two marriage ceremonies for those not of the Church of England.
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My Catholic families were in Lytham parish. Information on 1767 Return of Papists generally confirmed the details I had already gathered from C. of E. and Catholic mission registers, a will, leases, 1841 census and death registrations and notices. Births of adult daughters of one couple and eldest child of another predated start of the Catholic registers but the latter's birth was recorded in C. of E. register. One of his younger sisters, my 4xGGM, was missing from R.C. baptism register but was in C. of E. one.
Father of the 2 adult daughters died November 1767; I'm pleased he lived long enough to be on the Return.
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The nearest Catholic mission was quite close to Haighton, at Fernyhalgh. Its surviving registers were transcribed and published by the Catholic Record Society (CRS) about 100 years ago BUT they only start in 1771
Lancashire Registers V : Fernyhalgh, Goosnargh and Alston Lane; Catholic Record Society Record Series 31 editor J.P. Smith.
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Maiden Stone pointed out that the Fernyhalgh Catholic registers were published as -
“Lancashire Registers V, - Fernyhalgh, Goosnargh and Alston Lane” ed. by R.L. Smith, Catholic Record Society Vol. 31 (1932).
Earlier this year, the Catholic Record Society reported that the digitisation of the Volumes Series (up to No. 80) is now complete and will be uploaded to the website soon, and available for public access. It is, however, waiting until the new website is ready for launch, later in 2019, in order to make the digital volumes available.
This will make available a large transcript collection of early Catholic registers. Many, but not all, have been available on the internet for some time but I have had difficulty in finding them. I think that Vol 31 is one that is not yet available on the internet.
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Thanks lancaster Jim. I will definitely keep an eye out for it.