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Augustus DeHillgreave Turner
Born 4 August 1883 Birkenhead, Cheshire
Married 22 November 1908 Seacombe, Cheshire (Florence Gertrude Houghton)
Death: unknown
Wife died as a young mother on 17 December 1917 (age 29). Two children (Sidney & George) sent to Canada (Barnados), two (Leonard & Harry) remained in the UK (Harry "Houghton" an adopted son)
My question that I need some help with: when did Augustus pass away, where and under what circumstances. This is my great grandmother's brother (her name was Georgina Florence Turner). Any help appreciated, have not been able trace him after 1921 (including in the 1939 War Register)
Recent newspaper report found: 26 January 1921 - Liverpool Echo
"TOOK JEYE'S FLUID - At Wallasey to-day, Augustus Turner (38), of Stanley-street, Seacombe, was charged on remand with having attempted to commit suicide by taking Jeyes' fluid. He was an epileptic and had been depressed through losing his wife and through being out of work. On promising not to make another attempt on his life the accused was discharged"
Suspicion is he did make another attempt or ended up in a workhouse. His kids never re-united with with him we believe. He did serve in WW1, but came out early due to epilepsy and war trauma
Thanks
Rich
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Various online entries give his death as 1954 so you may want to investigate that year and see if there is a registration for him then you can apply for the certificate.
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There is one in Mar 1954 W Cheshire for an
Augustus Turner who is 69 so age doesn't quite fit and no middle initial shown :-\
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I have the 1954 death certificate (thought it worth a shot), but the details do not match up (missing middle name, rather distinctive) and age is a few years out (this individual was a few years older). So I had ticked this one off as a no go ???
Although thinking about it, the newspaper report cuts off his middle name and also gets his age wrong (1921 minus 38 is 1883). The death certificate (1954 minus 69 is 1885), so possible
Death certificate records him as casual labourer, passing away at [Leva?] Hospital, Liverpool Road, Upton by Chester. Not sure where that is exactly (sub-district Chester Castle?)
The fact that I can't find him in the 1939 War Register concerns me however, and makes me question it
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The Hospital was Deva Hospital and at the time was known as Upton Mental Hospital.
Deva was the old Roman name for Chester.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/details.asp?id=1173&page=14
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The fact that I can't find him in the 1939 War Register concerns me however, and makes me question it
Augustus Turner is in the 1939 Register, County Mental Hospital, Cheshire Chester RD LGEB, born 1884. Schedule 21 Sub. No. 105.
Stan
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FindMyPast has his name as Anpustus. I submitted a correction, which may take a while.
David
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If he died in early 1954 he would have been 70 and a few months (71st birthday not until August) so 69 is not inaccurate enough to be a worry. Looks like the hospital had his age a year out.
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FindMyPast has his name as Anpustus. I submitted a correction, which may take a while.
David
Ancestry has Name: C??p?? Turner, correction submitted
Stan
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That’s fab - thanks all. Any ideas on how I would access his personal file from the Deva hospital if possible?
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Records can be found at Chesire Archives http://catalogue.cheshirearchives.org.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=Z+HW&pos=27
Stan
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Also trying to find this gentleman in the 1891 census, with no luck. Can anyone help?
Have him in 1901 living in Garstang with the Swarbrick family. Also with his sister Georgina who was born in Buenos Aires in 1891 (and is listed as a visitor from South America)
He is also in the 1911 census in 1911 living with wife Florence Gertrude Houghton (before she died) and children - in Poulton with Seacombe
I don't believe he went to Argentina with his parents (at a guess in his status in 1901) and lived with others. He is not listed as living with the Swarbrick's in 1891
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My sister in law aged 70 - is a Turner from Seacombe - she has asked me to ask you if Joseph Turner who married Doris Simmons in 1948 is any connection - ? her parents
thanks
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My sister in law aged 70 - is a Turner from Seacombe - she has asked me to ask you if Joseph Turner who married Doris Simmons in 1948 is any connection - ? her parents
thanks
No connection that I am aware of garstonite, apologies for my tardy reply :)
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I have applied to the Cheshire Archives for a search for Augustus' patient record at Deva Hospital, Chester (per earlier advice)
Outstanding question to find him in the 1891 census (still searching). He was born in 1883