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Title: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: pflood1978 on Tuesday 16 April 19 18:01 BST (UK)
Hi,
I am looking for information please on my Great Grandfather James Maher.
From what i can find he was born in 1891 to James and Mary in Tinahely in Wicklow.
He joined the Army and was stationed in Nenagh where he met my great grandmother Mary Hogan.
They married 16th January 1924 in Youghalarra Church and had 9 children including my grandmother in Newtown just outside Nenagh.
When i looked at James Mahers headstone it said he was born in 1901 which is 10 years after his stated age. His army record also says he was 21 http://census.militaryarchives.ie/pdf/Bushfield_Nenagh_Division_3_Southern_Command_Page_34.pdf
From talking to my mother James had at least 1 brother, Frederick b 1920.
I am trying to get to the bottom of James birth and who his parents are.
From searching around the area there is a James Maher born around 1901 in redbog in Carlow which is not too far from Tinahely I am wondering if i have the incorrect James in my list http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Clonmore/Redbog/307940/

regards
Paul
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 18:10 BST (UK)



Only 1 registered

Name   JAMES MAHER
Date of Birth   1891
Group Registration ID   9503536
SR District/Reg Area   Shillelagh
Sex   N/R

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02401/1895567.pdf


wrong parents!




Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 18:15 BST (UK)



C Reg Birth results for James maher from 1899 to 1903   http://www.rootschat.com/links/01no4/




Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 18:18 BST (UK)



Residents of a house 19 in Redbog  http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Clonmore/Redbog/1037648/  father Richard!!




Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: pflood1978 on Tuesday 16 April 19 18:26 BST (UK)
Thank you hallmark,
it looks like the Mahers were actually from Redbog in Carlow rather than Tinahely in Wicklow where I was always let to believe he was from.

Paul
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 18:58 BST (UK)



Carlow District   https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php?gregdistid=29




Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 19:06 BST (UK)



Is this him?


Name   JAMES MAHER
Date of Birth   1899
Group Registration ID   9757622
SR District/Reg Area   Carlow

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02049/1784565.pdf


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He joined the Army and was stationed in Nenagh where he met  great grandmother Mary Hogan.
They married 16th January 1924 in Youghalarra Church and you don't say Who he was son of....so I'm finding one with father Richard and another William as a result!

You need names on Marriage Cert!!





Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 19:11 BST (UK)



Father on his Marriage Cert is Malick!!


Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 19:14 BST (UK)




https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp



and look for his Marriage, even without a District!!



Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Tuesday 16 April 19 19:27 BST (UK)

Father on his Marriage Cert is Malick!!


For reference-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1924/09156/5311569.pdf

KG
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 16 April 19 19:27 BST (UK)
Hallmark,
Mary’s Father is Malick Hogan.
James’ father is James Maher.

Heywood
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 19:32 BST (UK)



Must have changed it since I looked!!   ;D  ;D




Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 19:34 BST (UK)

Father on his Marriage Cert is Malick!!


For reference-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1924/09156/5311569.pdf

KG



Was just tyring to show how easy it is to find!   ;D

Or how to Search for someone else's Marriage if needed.




Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 19:42 BST (UK)



Residents of a house 19 in Tullowbeg

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Tullowbeg/Tullowbeg/1044821/


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Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 19:48 BST (UK)



Residents of a house (11th emumerated!)   in Tullowbeg Street 

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Tullow_Urban/Tullowbeg_Street/313179/



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Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 19:53 BST (UK)



Residents of a house (11th emumerated!)   in Tullowbeg Street 

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Tullow_Urban/Tullowbeg_Street/313179/



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22 yrs Married...11 children, 6 living, wife aged 38




Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 20:06 BST (UK)



Armed with the information from 1911 you can now search for children if you want





Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 20:08 BST (UK)



You then get Mother's maiden name from them and can then look for that Marriage which gets their Parents etc....
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: pflood1978 on Tuesday 16 April 19 21:46 BST (UK)

Yes Malacky Hogan 1855 - 1936 was Mary Hogans father.
Thats is the marriage cert alright

Father on his Marriage Cert is Malick!!



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Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 16 April 19 21:55 BST (UK)
Sorry if I have missed it but have you now definitely got James Maher’s birth and family?
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 22:09 BST (UK)



Not sure as there was no comment on family found on Census  Tullowbeg Street 





Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: pflood1978 on Tuesday 16 April 19 22:54 BST (UK)
No I have not found anything yet,
I was speaking to a person tonight who's Great Grandfather was James Maher from Redbog in Carlow.
We are matches on Ancestry DNA as a 4th cousin. But her James Maher was 1835 - 1910.
The James Maher that i though maybe my great grandfather is first cousin once-removed to her.
His father Richard was her granduncle in the 1911 census form from Redbog in Carlow.
I will keep searching an whittling down the results.
So i see in his marriage cert his father was James Maher also. That should help a bit.
My aunt just send me James brothers Martin Maher,Fred and Richard(Dick).
Paul
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 23:23 BST (UK)



Worth reading....

https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/irish-roots.html





Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 16 April 19 23:26 BST (UK)
Does anyone know where that home address is on the military record?
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 23:37 BST (UK)
Does anyone know where that home address is on the military record?




Yes.




Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 16 April 19 23:48 BST (UK)
Does anyone know where that home address is on the military record?
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Yes.

 ::) I should know by now but I still do it.
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 April 19 23:53 BST (UK)
Does anyone know where that home address is on the military record?

 ::) I should know by now but I still do it.



Yes.



 ;D  ;D  Well I did answer your question!



I make it to be  https://www.logainm.ie/en/54825  Lugnaquillia



Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 16 April 19 23:56 BST (UK)
You are very kind  ;)
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 17 April 19 00:13 BST (UK)
Residents of a house 19 in Redbog  http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Clonmore/Redbog/1037648/  father Richard!!

The children in this census are shown as the illegitimate children of Mary Maher. Richard is their uncle.
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 17 April 19 00:17 BST (UK)




Must have changed it since I looked!!   ;D  ;D





Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 17 April 19 00:20 BST (UK)
This is the birth of James in Redbog.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01985/1764514.pdf
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 17 April 19 07:30 BST (UK)
Have you seen this couple   i think the father should be 36
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Coolboy/Hillbrook_Lower/1818496/

Annie dies in 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05472/4531706.pdf

James wife Mary ? states she is married 10 months
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Coolboy/Hillbrook_Lower/899564/
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 17 April 19 08:01 BST (UK)
Mary above died May 1922 so cant be his next of kin on 1922 census
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1922/05074/4391953.pdf
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: pflood1978 on Wednesday 17 April 19 22:22 BST (UK)
Mary above died May 1922 so cant be his next of kin on 1922 census
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1922/05074/4391953.pdf

Hey Daithi,
I always thought that this family in Tinahely was my family. James Maher was down as born in 1891 but my g grandfather was born around 1901.
Paul
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: pflood1978 on Wednesday 17 April 19 22:27 BST (UK)
I am going to Tipperary this weekend.
I have gotten all the info i think oiut of my mother so its down to my aunts and uncles for more information.
My mother did tell me tonight that there was step children but who she didn't know.
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 17 April 19 22:34 BST (UK)
I hope you can get the sibling names and years of birth. That would help.
The names you mention occur in the Redbog family but it is Frederick who is more difficult to trace.
It is no use speculating but perhaps Mary married after 1911  :-\
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: pflood1978 on Wednesday 17 April 19 22:56 BST (UK)
Hi Heywood,
Since my mother always told me the family were from Tinahely i found a Frederick Maher born in 1920
Frederick
Last name   Maher
Registration year   1920
Registered quarter/year   Apr - Jun 1920
Registration district   Shillelagh
Volume   2
Page   9490

For as long as i can remember my mother told me James was born in Tinahely but the James Maher born in Tinahely does not match up with 10 years of a difference in dob.
I have had this merry go round for the past 10 years in finding out James Mahers actual place of birth/date of birth and family.
Paul
Title: Re: James Maher Tinahely
Post by: dathai on Thursday 18 April 19 08:12 BST (UK)
Have you seen his military record ?
see 1922 to present
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Ireland_Military_Records

http://www.militaryarchives.ie/en/contact-us