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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: lesleyhannah on Tuesday 16 April 19 17:26 BST (UK)
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In the 1939 register my stepfather's family are living in 189 Park Road, Liverpool 8. Stepfather's wife is Ada Jane (nee Beck). Stepfather is Felix Edward Allen, a cowkeeper/dairyman, born 24 April 1893 in Yorkshire.
What I want to know, but don't know how to find out, is the name of the family living at that address before the Allen family. We have heard stories that there was an Irish family living there - also cowkeepers - but we don't have a name. Maybe they were an earlier family. We think they came over from what is now Northern Ireland, and we are trying to link the two families.
Can anyone help - I just don't know where to begin, but thank you all in advance
Lesley
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You could try an address search on the 1911 census. 18 years is a fairly long gap, but yuo might hit on lucky and pick up the family you are looking for.
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Liverpool electoral registers show Felix and Ada there in 1929/30.
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Here are the Becks in 1911 which would be helpful for you.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWR1-321
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The electoral registers has Becks at no 189 since at least 1904
This is the family there in 1901 - I suspect a connection to Agnes Beck, given the place of birth
Thomas Woof 40 - b Firbank, Westmorland. Cowkeeper and dairyman
Isabella J Woof 33 - b Seaburgh, Yorks
William Woof 7 - b Liverpool
Harold Woof 2 - b Liverpool
Hannah Haggarth 74 - mother in law, b Seaburgh
Margt A Haggarth 3 - niece, b Liverpool
Thomas J Beane 20 - servant, cowman b Ireland
Daniel McDonald 23 - servant, cowman b Burnley
RG13, 3434, 121, 5
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Looks like Thomas is Agnes' brother!
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Just going to post that Mabel :)
Dorothy Agnes Beck mmn Woof 1879
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This is the family there in 1901 - I suspect a connection to Agnes Beck, given the place of birth
Thomas Woof 40 - b Firbank, Westmorland. Cowkeeper and dairyman
Isabella J Woof 33 - b Seaburgh, Yorks
William Woof 7 - b Liverpool
Harold Woof 2 - b Liverpool
Hannah Haggarth 74 - mother in law, b Seaburgh
Margt A Haggarth 3 - niece, b Liverpool
Thomas J Beane 20 - servant, cowman b Ireland
Daniel McDonald 23 - servant, cowman b Burnley
RG13, 3434, 121, 5
Birth registration in Ireland:
Thomas Bean 1880 Lurgan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02877/2054433.pdf
Also Thomas Beare 1881 Ballymoney
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02844/2042241.pdf
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Thank you all for your help. Have been following up your suggestions. I'm hoping Mr Google will pick up some key words and the thread will expand. Till then I'll wait till the certs I've just ordered arrive and keep my fingers crossed. Very grateful to you all
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That Seaburgh in Yorkshire is probabably a misreading of Sedbergh, now Cumbria.
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I used to live in Park Road - you may find this site interesting
https://www.facebook.com/groups/138050196257163/
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I went to school in Devonshire Road (my son now lives in the same road!). My best school friend came from Dorrit Street - I'll definitely look up your link - so thanks for that - amazing how memories keep flooding back from nowhere (well the 1950s!)
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There's a chap who is quite knowledgeable about Liverpool Cowkeepers, Dave Joy.
He's written books about the subject, and done some talk-tours at least in the north of England. There was a thread on here about it not clever enough to provide a link, but if you put "Liverpool Cowkeepers" in as a search, it'll come up, and you'll be able to go to other sites from it.
The Dave joy chap may well be able to help you on that query.
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Funnily enough when I was little our milkman was Mr Joy whose cart was pulled by a carthorse - just after the war. Must be the same family!
Unfortunately the Irish family isn't the one I was looking for - it would have been quite a coincidence! However it's been a trip down memory lane - things I'd forgotten - so thanks to everyone.
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I went to school in Devonshire Road (my son now lives in the same road!). My best school friend came from Dorrit Street - I'll definitely look up your link - so thanks for that - amazing how memories keep flooding back from nowhere (well the 1950s!)
I didn't know you were local
for the record the WOOF family now live in Speke and I am good friends with them
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I may be wrong, but would imagine Seaberg is meant to be Sedbergh.
Woof is a fairly common name in South Lakeland.
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Left Liverpool quite a time ago, though went to school there. My mum married the cow-keeper from Park Road later in life so I knew nothing about the family, but have been fascinated by what I've learnt. It's only recently I realised the Mr Joy who delivered our milk (during WW2) had actually lived in the same house as my stepfather in Park Road. I'd hoped to tie up the connection with a Northern Irish family also cowkeepers in Park Road, but there isn't a connection. But you never stop learning in genealogy!
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Felix Allen and Ada Beck are close direct line relatives.
I am confused because we have no knowledge at all of him being a step father to anybody, so I'm interested in how you think he is.
I could tell you the information you are asking for, but I would rather do so outside of this application so I'm not sure ho we can do it.
You may know better if you use the application more than I do.
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Had forgotten about this search - am now sure the Irish connection I was hoping to make was a mistake - mixing up two different families. Thank you all for your replies and good luck with your searches.
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I could tell you the information you are asking for, but I would rather do so outside of this application so I'm not sure ho we can do it.
You may know better if you use the application more than I do.
Use the Personal/Private Message System.
You need to have made 2 posts (stops scammers!), then click on the document icon to the left of the message.
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Only just joined this forum, picked this msg up from 2019
A few messages yesterday (below) regarding the Allen/Woof family who were at 189 Park Road, Dingle as Thomas Woof family were there before the Allen's.
I was interested as Thomas had 9 siblings, one being his sister Agnes, who is also a direct line in our family.
You mention the Woof family live(d) in Speke, which I had not been aware of, so if you could advise what the link with them is, possibly by one of the siblings as some did live in Liverpool, I woud appreciate it.