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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Wigtownshire => Topic started by: kate16131 on Saturday 13 April 19 13:36 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I'm researching the McCulloch family line.
I have traced John McCulloch, to London Marylebone in 1852. Further census records suggest he was born circa 1811/12 in Wigtownshire. His marriage certificate says his father was called John and he was a coachman. I've now hit a brick wall. Ive checked census and birth records but can't find a leas. Can anyone help please?
Thank you
Kate
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Have you checked Scotlands People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for a baptism or www.familysearch.org
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There are 3 John McCullochs with father John McCulloch on S.P. born Wigtownshire around the time you are wanting.
b 8/5/1808 Stoneykirk, mother Mary Tire.
b 10/8/1814 Mochrum, mother Isabella Tomson.
b 5/9/1819 Kirkinner, mother Margaret McGuffock.
There is a John McCulloch married to Harriet in the census on F.S. at Marylebone, is this your John McCulloch, also another J. McC at Marylebone married to Jane. Both Johns are b 1813.
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Does the marriage in 1852 indicate his father was deceased?
It may be an idea to post names of children in order & work from family names connected to his wife's line for an idea of his mother's name to find his potential baptism if it exists & parents on 1851/1841 census'?
Annie
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Is this the right 1851 census entry for St Marylebone?
John McCulloch 38 b Scotland - servant
Jane 38 b Surrey
Mary Ann 10 b St George Middlesex
Jane 7 Ditto
HO 107 piece 1490 folio 685 page 54
However - there is a banns entry 22.2.1852 for John McCulloch and Jane Turner @ Christ Church Marylebone
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Marriage 23.2.1852 Christ Church St Marylebone shows Jane was a widow previously Cutler. John was a servant as was his father John. Father not shown as deceased.
EDIT
1861 shown as married aged 45 but not with family. Occ servant. Birthplace mistranscribed as Nigtonshire
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Wow, thank you all for such helpful responses. You have all correctly found the right person. John was married twice, firstly to Jane and then when widowed he married Harriet.
The suggestion about children's names was helpful but I dont think the daughters listed on the census were his as their ages don't tie up with marriage date. Jane was a widow when she married John and I assumed her daughters took his surname. They were Jane and Mary.
Thank you for finding John on the 1861 census. I'm confused why he wasn't listed with Harriet as their sons Sidney J and Walter J had been born by then. John, Harriet and the boys appear together on the 1871 census. He was a servant and later a butler, might he have been a live in servant in 1861?
I dont know how I will know for definite John's birthdate and who his parents were. None of the fathers suggested appear as a coachman in the Scottish census. His father wasn't listed as deceased when he married Jane (1852) and Harriet (1854).
Best wishes
Kate
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1861 Census Paddington, change of spelling of name on F.S.
Harriet McCullogh (34) b Surrey, head.
Jane (17) b St Georges
Sydney J (4) b Paddington
Walter J (2) b Paddington
Harriet J (0) b Paddington.
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Thank you. Yes this is the family. Harriet lived until 1903, was living with John according to 1891 census. By 1901 John seems to be boarding with his adopted daughter Jane, but not with Harriet...nursing home?
I would really like to explore John's parentage if I can.
Bw
Kate
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If the 1851 is correct then John was living with Jane for at least a year before they married. Jane died 1853 and John married Harriet Edwards in 1854
The 1852 marriage cert shows John's father as a servant
The 1854 marriage cert shows him as a coachman
On both certs John jnr is a servant
The 1841 has a John McCulloch aged 29 b Scotland occ Male Servant living in St George Hanover Sq which is the birthplace of the 2 children on the 1851 entry
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Would it have been very unusual for John and Jane to have had 2 daughters outside of marriage and then marry shortly before her death?
If the daughters were indeed John's this points to
JOHN MCCULLOCH/MARY TIRE as parents and an earlier birth date of 1808?
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Jane Turner was a widow on the 1852 marriage cert so it's likely that at least the eldest daughter was from her previous marriage and possibly the second as well although she is McCulloch in 1851 & 1861