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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: RickiO on Tuesday 09 April 19 03:12 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am just wondering if anyone has any connection in their family trees to any Grundle's from Coleraine?
I am having some trouble with my research on my mother's side of the family and it would be good to find anyone who has some information that could help.
My Grandad's name on my mum's side of the family was Ronald Grundle (b. 1933 d. 2017), his brother is Desmond Grundle. I believe his mother's name was Elizabeth Grundle, but I don't have too much information so am unsure of birth dates and exact spelling of names. If anyone has any connections in their tree or has any information that might help, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Ricki
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As you are not certain of mother's name, some possibilities for further checking, on 18/1/1933 a Margaret Kearney married a Samuel Grundle in Coleraine district or 14/7/1926 William Grundle m Annie McQuillan.
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Thank you for the reply! I will look into that.
If anyone else has any links or information it would be much appreciated.
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Re the Grundle/McQuillan marriage I added to my first post, I can now see, from a free Ancestry search, that someone has a tree there for the couple, with at least a few children named. None seem to match the siblings names you listed, so perhaps this marriage can be ruled out. Still, if you have an Ancestry subscription or start a free tral, you could contact the tree owner to see if they have come across any of the names you have, which are in a similar timscale.
Meant to add, if any of the siblings you listed are still alive, you will need to remove their names, as Rootschat has a 'no living person/s' policy.
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Thanks for the info. I have removed the other names from the original post.
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Was Elizabeth Grundle known as Lily? if so, looks like others related to her had looked for information earlier-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=26906.0
Possibly the Elizabeth Grundle in 1911 census- parents Samuel & Jessie-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Coleraine/Kyles_Brae/588944
Added- if this is the correct family then I have more details to post.
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I believe that might be the correct family as I think I recall seeing some of that census information a number of years ago but had lost it. Thank you for that. I am just trying to confirm with my mother, etc that it is the right family but I believe it is. If you do have any links to further information that would be great. Thanks again.
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Can you just clarify for me, your first post was suggesting to me that you believed Ronald's mother was possibly an Elizabeth to her first name and that Grundle was her married name. Are you now saying she could have been Grundle to her maiden name as well, or that she was unmarried and all her children had her surname?
I was trying to help by looking for male Grundle to female ___________ (something other than Grundle) marriages, but perhaps I misunderstood and this was perhaps not what you were after.
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Sorry, I should have mentioned in the first post. Ronald's mother never married and kept the Grundle surname and all of her children were named Grundle too.
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Sorry, I should have mentioned in the first post. Ronald's mother never married and kept the Grundle surname and all of her children were named Grundle too.
Thanks for clarification, you could have perhaps mentioned that I had obviously misunderstood, when I started posting male Grundle to female non-Grundle marriages. Anyhow, hopefully now you will receive more accurate assistance.
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Samuel Grundle (1882 ARMAGH-aft.1911), son of Henry Grundle & Mary Milligan, m.(1907) Jessie Fulton (c1892-aft.1911), dau. of Peter & Mary Anne Fulton
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02797/2026498.pdf
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Mullahead/Tamnaghmore/1020717
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10105/5676433.pdf
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Coleraine/Kyles_Brae/588944
Not sure if this is Samuel or son Samuel- Londonderry Sentinel, 19 Aug.1939: During excavations Stone Row, Coleraine, prior to the laying of the new road surface workman named Samuel Grundle, of Stone Row, unearthed an interesting coin. It bears one side the date 1789 and the ...
Children: Robert (1908), Mary (1909), Elizabeth (1910), Samuel (1912) - could be younger ones?
Robert Grundle (1908)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01659/1661526.pdf
Belfast Telegraph, 19 Oct.1944: Sergt. Robert Grandle, Army Air Corps. son of Mr. Samuel Grundle, The Cutts, Castleroe. Coleraine, missing, was in the battle of Arnhem. He has 19 years' service.
Londonderry Sentinel, 22 Oct.1958: A FORMER Coleraine postman, Robert Grundle, aged fifty-one, of Laburnum Drive, had a sentence of three months' imprisonment on each of three summonses regarding the theft of three postal packets removed at Coleraine Quarter Sessions before ...
Mary Grundle (1909)https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01596/1641373.pdf
Elizabeth Grundle (1910)
Samuel Grundle (1912)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01485/1604408.pdf
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There was only the one Grundle family in Coleraine and they came from Armagh.
More details to follow...
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Four of Henry & Mary Ann Grundle's sons served in WWI:
James Grundle (1892-1916)
Belfast Newsletter, 11 July 1916: ... Jas. Grundle, Derry Vols., Killowen Street, Coleraine, killed. https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/787952/grundle,-james/
William Henry Grundle (1894-1950) m.(1926) Annie McQuillan & had family.
Belfast Newsletter, 27 May 1916: Lance-Corporal Wm. H. Grundle, Killowen, Coleraine, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, has been wounded in the ankle. He is one of four brothers with the colours.
John Grundle (1899)
Northern Whig, 19 Oct.1918: GRUNDLE. Rifleman John Grundle, R.1.R., wounded, is a brother of Mrs. James Holmes, Killowen Street, Coleraine.
Larne Times, 26 Oct.1918: Rifleman John Grundle, Royal Irish Rifles, brother of Mrs. James Holmes, Killowen Street, Coleraine, has been admitted to hospital with a bullet wound in the arm.
Not sure yet which was the 4th son.
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Correction to earlier tree posted-
Robert Grundle died 1967 not 1963
Grundle, Robert of 10 Agnes Street Belfast library attendant died 28 November 1967 at Royal Victoria Hospital Belfast Administration Belfast 31 January to Jane Grundle widow. Effects £1156 1s.
Daughter Eileen died a few months earlier
Grundle, Eileen of 10 Agnes Street Belfast spinster died 2 August 1967 at Haypark Hospital Belfast Unadministered Probate Belfast 1 February to Jane Grundle widow. Effects £834 14s. Former Grant Belfast 12 October 1967.
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Wow, thank you for all of this. I really appreciate it. I'm going to speak to a few relatives and see if i can confirm certain information, but it looks as though this is probably the right track. Thanks again!
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At least 3 Grundle plots in Coleraine Cmetery. Here's one (family of William Henry Grundle & Annie McQuillan)-
https://billiongraves.com/grave/James-Grundle/24565294
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/187305267/william-h_-grundle
Another one- not sure exactly how connected-
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Bridget-Grundle/23013395
Third one- Mary Christina (Troy) Grundle-
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/187322030/mary-christina-grundle
Mary Grundle- https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/187322029/mary-grundle
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Photo of James Grundle killed WWI-
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/RobertThompsonColeraine1.htm
More about Grundles in WWI here confirm what I posted earlier and that 4th brother called Samuel William [Samuel?]- http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nmy/
First Coleraine Presbyterian Church Roll of Honour-
http://eddiesextracts.com/rohpci/rohcoleraine1.html
Five Grundles listed- http://eddiesextracts.com/oextracts/oecolerainedistrictroh1915a.html
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Will extract- Henry Grundle, Coleraine, died 1 Jan.1916
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014919/005014919_00540.pdf
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Thank you so much for your help. After speaking with a few relatives, I can definitely confirm that this is the correct family. Mary was actually my Grandad's mother and Elizabeth was her sister. Samuel was my great-great grandfather. Thanks again for your help. It is greatly appreciated.
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Glad that you were able to get more information from relatives :)