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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Worcestershire => England => Worcestershire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: s10taf on Thursday 04 April 19 16:03 BST (UK)
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Hi guys - first time poster here and a bit of a beginner so hope you can help!
I've used census returns to track my paternal line back to James Wheeler. He married Jane Thompson at St Bartholomews, Edgbaston 29/9/1836 and states he was born in 1811 in Halesowen. He also appears in the 1841 census as Head at 22 Potter Street, Birmingham. Can anyone please help me to find records of his baptism or his parents, most likely in Worcestershire?
Any help would be gratefully received!
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Hello and welcome to Rootschat :)
To help others giving details of
1841 c HO107; Piece: 1143; Folio: 28; Page: 16
22 Potters St
James Wheeler 30 Steel Toy M - not born in this county
Jane 20
Frederick 6 mths
Is this him on
1861 census RG 9; Piece: 2175; Folio: 70; Page: 14?
James Wheeley(r) 49 Halesowen Owen occ. corkscrew maker
Jane wife 45
James son 16
Jane E dau 5
Elijah E son 2
Mary A Morris servant 13
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Hello Ladyhawk,
Thanks for your response!
Yes, that is indeed him on 1861 census. The Wheeley has obviously been corrected to Wheeler at some stage.
Any other questions that will help you, fire away!
Thanks
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I've tried https://www.freereg.org.uk
searching
Wheeler James Worcestershire Halesowen
but no results :-\
This is the only one that came close to yob 1811 just searching Worcestershire
County Worcestershire
Place Dudley
Church name St Thomas
Baptism date 6 Mar 1808
James
Father John
Mother Mary
Father surname WHEELER
Did they have more children? - sometimes naming patterns of the children named after parents/grandparents/siblings
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Is this his wife's Jane's baptism?
Jane Tompson
Baptism 25 Dec 1817 Baddesley Ensor,Warwick
Father: Joseph Tompson occ Labourer Mother: Catharine
Mmm..... if so doesn't seem to follow any naming pattern with their children
Are these the only children born to James & Jane?
Frederick 1841
James 1845
Jane Elizabeth 1855
Elijah Elisha 1859
Edit - Did they have a son Thomas ?
Thomas Wheeler
Christening Date (Original) 01 APR 1839 St Martin Birmingham Warwick
Birth Date 22 Oct 1838
Father James Wheeler Mother Jane
Frederick Wheeler bn 24 December 1840 ch18 January 1841 St Martin
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Hello Ladyhawk,
Thanks for your efforts.
That is indeed his wife's baptism - always wondered why her d.o.b. varied.
It's given as 1821 in Baddesley Ensor on 1841 census but then shows that she's 33 yrs old in 1851 census which tallies with what you've found - great!
The only children born to James I know are those you listed - Frederick (who died as an infant), James2 (my paternal line GGGF), Jane Elizabeth and Elijah Elisha.
I can only imagine given the birth date of 1838 that Thomas was the first born of James1 and Jane but died before the 1841 census.
Just unfortunate that I'm currently at a dead end going back any further, although Worcestershire and Halesowen in particular are apparently good for record keeping, back to 1600's. As you say, there are no naming patterns with the John or Mary parents you found in the Dudley, St Thomas. Pretty sure they aren't the parents of James.
Any ideas?
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That is indeed his wife's baptism - always wondered why her d.o.b. varied.
It's given as 1821 in Baddesley Ensor on 1841 census but then shows that she's 33 yrs old in 1851 census which tallies with what you've found - great!
In 1841 ages for those over 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5 years. If she was actually 23 then it should show as age 20
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Hi everyone!
I too am descended from James Wheeler (b. 1811 Halesowen) through his son James (b. 1845), and through that James's son, James Frederick, (b.1870). He was my maternal grandfather. I too have been unable to go any further back from the first James. It would be interesting to know how other contributors to this post are descended (through which of his children) and to share any other information we have about these ancestors.
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With regard to Thomas, son of James Wheeler (b.1811), I've found his burial on 25 August 1839 at St Martins Birmingham. His mother and father are Jane and James Wheeler and their address Potter Street, as given in the 1841 census. Poor Thomas was born on 22 October, 1838.
But maybe you've already found this?
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Sorry - he was christened, not born, on 22 October 1838.
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Hi Roaslind146,
I've been searching for this website for 6 months and have just tracked this search down around James Wheeler, b.1811 in Halesowen.
The trail has gone dry for me. I spent a long time trying to get information on James's ancestry but pre-1811 there's a bit of a wall.
Just to confirm that my lineage (similar to yours)... my GGf was William Henry (b. 1880) youngest son of James (b. 1845), son of James Wheeler (b.1811 as above)>
And there the story stops... which is a real shame given the effort that has gone into everything so far!
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Have you ruled out this bapt?
6 Mar 1808, St Thomas, Dudley
JAMES Wheeler to JOHN/MARY
(FreeREG)
There are several children bapt there to them including a LOUISA 29 May 1814
Father John is a Glass Maker on her bapt.
If they married Dudley there is this Marriage there 28 May 1787
John WHEELER/Mary CHERMAGE
With a bit of googling I can see Dudley is only a few miles from Halesowen.
Trish :)
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Thanks Trish for your help.
That looks really promising and I'll investigate further!
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Your welcome, good luck :)