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Title: Harriet Nuttall
Post by: NEATWHEAT on Wednesday 03 April 19 13:05 BST (UK)
Hi, I am researching the Westwood Family Tree and have a few queries.  Ann Jane Pedley married John Westwood in Manchester and I have their details.  Her mother was Harriet Nuttall and she married Joshua Pedley 1 September 1834.  Ann Jane was born in 1843.  Joshua was deported in 1844 for housebreaking and he married twice in Australia.  My queries are I cannot find either Harriet  after 1841 or Ann Jane after her birth until she became Ann Jane Westwood.  all records seem to point to Manchester, except for Joshua who was in Australia.   Any help would be appreciated. Many thanks
Title: Re: Harriet Nuttall
Post by: ColC on Wednesday 03 April 19 17:18 BST (UK)
1851 & 1861      Walton, West Derby
John Padley    47/59   Isle of Man
Jane Padley    43/X   Wales
Isabella Munn    35?40   Sister-in-law
Ann J Padley    5/15   Niece - Great Crosby, Lancashire

Colin
Title: Re: Harriet Nuttall
Post by: ColC on Wednesday 03 April 19 17:33 BST (UK)
There is a possible marriage for Harriet, however she is noted as spinster but understandable maybe.

Harriet Padley born about 1825 Joseph Galloway
Married 14 Apr 1850 Manchester, St Mary, Lancashire
Witnesses John & Mary Galloway


Colin
Title: Re: Harriet Nuttall
Post by: Dundee on Thursday 04 April 19 00:53 BST (UK)
There is a possible marriage for Harriet, however she is noted as spinster but understandable maybe.

Harriet Padley born about 1825 Joseph Galloway
Married 14 Apr 1850 Manchester, St Mary, Lancashire
Witnesses John & Mary Galloway


Colin

Harriet's marriage to Joshua was in 1834 so that can't be her, she is far too young.

I cannot see a birth registration for Ann Jane.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Harriet Nuttall
Post by: Dundee on Thursday 04 April 19 01:25 BST (UK)
1851 & 1861      Walton, West Derby
John Padley    47/59   Isle of Man
Jane Padley    43/X   Wales
Isabella Munn    35?40   Sister-in-law
Ann J Padley    5/15   Niece - Great Crosby, Lancashire

Colin

This Ann J. was probably the daughter of Charles PADLEY and Ann LAWRENSON.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Harriet Nuttall
Post by: NEATWHEAT on Thursday 04 April 19 08:43 BST (UK)
Thanks for the info but I don't think that is Ann Jane, her family all came from Manchester and her dad Joshua Pedley does not seem to have any brothers, so this is not her uncle.  Also I had a death for her mother in the 1860's but that seems to have been a Harriet Pedley 1 year old.  I will just have to keep searching but where Ann Jane Pedley was in 1851 and 61 is a mystery still.  There is a record of her birth in 1843 in Congleton
Title: Re: Harriet Nuttall
Post by: heywood on Thursday 04 April 19 10:23 BST (UK)
The birth in Congleton 1843 for Ann Jane Pedley has mmn Worth.
Title: Re: Harriet Nuttall
Post by: heywood on Thursday 04 April 19 11:03 BST (UK)
Do you have Ann Jane’s birth certificate?

Her marriage certificate seems to have the right Joshua as father. Perhaps Harriet died, although I can’t see a death or maybe Joshua had a child with a lady with surname Worth.
Title: Re: Harriet Nuttall
Post by: NEATWHEAT on Thursday 04 April 19 13:06 BST (UK)
Well now I am completely confused, I have found the birth on GRO and yes the mother is Worth.  I guess I will have to get the Birth Certificate now.  Thanks for the help
Title: Re: Harriet Nuttall
Post by: heywood on Thursday 04 April 19 13:21 BST (UK)
On the censuses, Ann Jane gives Manchester as her p.o.b.
Perhaps she was raised there and did not know where she was born.

Title: Re: Harriet Nuttall
Post by: lancsann on Thursday 04 April 19 16:56 BST (UK)
there is a death of a Harriet Pedley in Congleton in 1872 who seems to be about the right age according to the 1841 census. Death age 51

Possibly in the workhouse in 1871

edit - however that Harriet seems to be the daughter of James Pedley
Title: Re: Harriet Nuttall
Post by: heywood on Thursday 04 April 19 17:24 BST (UK)
There is a birth and death of Charles Pedley to Joshua and Harriet 1837/1838 - Astbury.
Presumably, after their marriage in Manchester, they returned to Joshua’s home area but then back to Manchester for 1841.
Title: Re: Harriet Nuttall
Post by: NEATWHEAT on Thursday 11 April 19 12:25 BST (UK)
Here is an update on Ann Jane Pedley.  I have received the birth certificate for an Ann Jane Pedley born in Congleton in 1843 but it is not her, the fathers name is Edward Pedley and mother is Hannah Pedley nee Worth  I know Ann Jane's father was Joshua as that is on her wedding certificate.  This is a complete mystery.  Ann Jane married John Westwood and on all the census she says she was born in Manchester.  I cannot find any record of her birth.  In 1841 Joshua and Harriet are listed as living in Ancoats, Salford, Manchester and also a child Charles who was born in Astbury in 1837 and died in 1838.  Joshua and Harriet were married in Manchester in 1834.  Joshua was deported in 1844.  Any help would be appreciated, this is a challenge, I am at a loss to know where to look next.  Many thanks
Title: Re: Harriet Nuttall
Post by: heywood on Friday 12 April 19 02:04 BST (UK)
Thanks for the update.
It is a puzzle.

Ann Jane says her father is Joshua on her marriage certificate and the occupation fits.
As there is no birth record evidence, it is not known who her parents are except for her claim re Joshua.
She may have been  the child of Harriet by another man or the child of Joshua by another woman.

I think that is the situation anyway  :-\
Title: Re: Harriet Nuttall
Post by: Maiden Stone on Friday 12 April 19 19:36 BST (UK)
Ann Jane's birth may not have been registered. I understand that in the early years of birth registrations, onus was on registry office staff to collect information about births in their district. Babies could easily be overlooked in a city like Manchester.
There was a small child belonging to one of my families on 1841 census who has no birth registration. I couldn't find a baptism either. She doesn't show up on 1851 census. There was no death registration for her 1841-1851. She remains a mystery. The family lived in a rapidly growing industrial town. Had they remained in the village whence they came, that child's birth would have been registered and she would have been baptised at the village church.