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With the help of Rootschat I discovered 2nd cousins in Melbourne.......Thanks Rootschat. ;D
We would like to track 2 other great uncles and an aunt that contact was lost with:
Jeremiah Joseph Casey.....b. Burra, SA 1881 m. Louisa Ethel Hourahan in WA. Children possibly named Desmond and Clare. Jeremiah served in both the Boer War & WW1. He is buried in Karrakatta Cemetery, Perth........date: 1955
James Leonard Casey.......b. SA 1886 m. Lillian Speed in Adelaide, SA 1911.
He may have moved to WA and was supposedly a 'trooper'.......possibly policeman. No WW1 records for him.
Mary Margaret Casey........b. SA 1883.......no information other than date of birth. She would possibly have been born in the same area as other siblings.......Nth Flinders Ranges/Burra.
The family moved to from SA to Melbourne in approx.1886 - 1888.
Parents were: James Davoren Casey (b. Ireland) & Emily Quinn (b. Burra) m. 1876 Burra, SA
Emily died just after giving birth to her 9th child....in 1890.
This child, Micheal Thomas, and my Grandfather, Francis Patrick, were sent back to Burra, SA to live with their mother's Quinn family.
Any help would be appreciated. :)
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Hi Caseykid
Sorry we haven't been able to help you so far on this one.
Have you made any progress, or do you have any further details that could help someone to find what you are looking for?
Look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes
Ticker
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Hi Caseykidm
I hadn't noticed this one until Ticker highlighted it. If I can check any Burra Records for you please let me know. Certainly still Quinns in the area ;) Kris :D
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Hello Caseykid,
There is a possibility that your family came from Co. Clare in Ireland. The names Casey, Davoren (and alternative spelling Davoran) were found in the County in 1855 when Griffiths Valuation was conducted in the county. http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php
The other county worth considering is Tipperary where both names appeared in the same parish in 1850-51.
http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm
I hope this is of some assistance to you.
Best Wishes, Christopher
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Hi to you all.......and thanks for your replies!
Christopher........... the Casey family does come from County Clare.
We have, only in the last week, discovered there are possibly two other siblings of James Davoren Casey...... who also came to Australia.
One being Jeremiah Darby Casey - k/a Darby, who was a miner in Burra and moved to Broken Hill. Jeremiah Darby's date of birth was 1831 in County Clare.....possibly Ballyvaughan, Parish of Drumcreehy..died Broken Hill, 1917. The other possible sibling was John Casey born...1842 in Clare, died 1913, also Broken Hill. This information was supplied by Jeremiah Darby's GG.Grandson. Both their death certs. or family history list James Casey & Bridget Davoren, County Clare as parents.
So far we have come to a rather frustrating standstill on tracing my Grandfather's older siblings......I think I will have to do more searching in WA.
Kris.........my Grandfather, Francis/Frank Patrick Casey is in the Burra School records...approx.1900.
His guardian in those records is listed as a James Quinn, described as a 'Gardener'. His mother Emily (Amelia or Aurelia), was the daughter of John Quinn, also a 'Gardener' of Burra. I could surmise that James Quinn was his uncle perhaps, as he was sent to Burra to live with Quinn family after his mother's death in Melbourne.
Francis is buried in Burra Cemetery........he died in 1919, aged 30 yrs.
If you have any information or contacts on descendants of John or James Quinn in Burra it would be very much appreciated.
Many thanks for your interest and help........it is much appreciated. :)
Regards,
Lynne........the Caseykid! :D
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Hi Lynne,
By this I presume you do have some information from Burra as you have mentioned School Records. It would help if you could let me know what you have already so I am not doubling up.
Do you have details of your grandfathers death and burial or know if there was anything in the local paper? I can view all the certs, burial, grave stone if there is one, newspaper etc.
It does take some time going through the different records so would be a help if you could let me know what records you have so I am not doubling up.
Look forward to hearing more so I can get on the trail through the week. I love spending time at the library going through the old records. Fascinating pasttime
It seems a lot of the miners, as well as moving about the Copper Triangle of SA also moved on from Burra to Broken Hill. Most of the miners here were Cornish and Welsh. The old section of the cemetery has monuments written in Cornish and Welsh. It was a hard life in its hayday. Mortality rates were high. You have to wonder what these people thought when they arrived in places like Burra and Broken Hill after leaving their lush green homelands looking for a new life. In the mid 1800's thousands of people lived in dugouts along the dry creek bed. The floods came and the disease as you can imagine the death toll was horrendous.
Kris :D
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Hi Kris,
I found the record of my Grandfather's grave in the Catholic section of Burra Cemetery on a site listing SA burials.
The date of death, name, his age and the cemetery location of Burra all correlate with when I knew he died and where he died. That is the only information I have. My Father suspected he had TB but according to my Grandmother he died of Spanish Flu. His health was not good for some time apparently.
I don't, as yet, have a birth or death certificate for him so all I have run with is what is known through family history and information my cousin, Clare, has given me. Clare is the Grandaughter of my Grandfather's oldest sister, Bridget.
I found Francis Patrick's name on the School Records for Burra on the burrahistory.com.au website and have corresponded with the lady who runs the family history section on that site. She was helpful in providing some information and she provided the contact of another Burra historian who was reasonably confident that John Quinn was the father of Emily. John Quinn is listed on the 'Burra Pioneers' page of this site and I have a newspaper obituary for him. There were 2 Quinn families in Burra around that time. I'm embarrassed that I can't remember this ladies name but she owns a B & B called Birch Cottage and was very helpful.
My Grandmother, Catherine Margaret Lynch, was also from that area of SA.....Pekina, and was also obviously Irish descent, with a name like Lynch. :D
A very distant cousin recently provided a lot of information about her family living around this area.
I was aware that Burra had a lot of Cornish & Welsh migrants and that the Irish tended to be farmers......as my Grandmother's family were.
The family link with Broken Hill is interesting and I suspect has something to do with the Railways as well as mining. My Grandfather was a Railway worker and married my Grandmother in Broken Hill.......where my father was subsequently born in 1913. My G. Grandfather, James Davoren Casey, was also a Railway worker in Melbourne.
Having looked at photos of Burra, yes, I can imagine it seemed a very harsh place after Ireland, but Irish immigrants were pretty desperate I guess, after the Potato Famine.
The Jeremiah Darby Casey I mentioned was apparently in Burra at some stage? but also in lancelot (nr Gumbowie). He was also at Kapunda where he was a Foremen at the smelting works. He tried his hand at farming at Terowie, not successfully, and was a Carrier from Kadina to Adelaide prior to the railway opening. Other locations mentioned in his history are Mt Gipps, The Barrier (Silverton) and Limestone or 'The Acacia' before he ended up in Broken Hill.
The John Casey I mentioned (another sibling of James Davoren we suspect) had 12 children, the first 6 being born in Burra. The last 6 children were born in Coglin & Dawson in SA and Broken Hill.
As you can see I am having to use a bit of guesswork regarding my Grandfather. :-\
Anything you can find or confirm would be wonderful.
Many, many thanks.
Regards,
Lynne
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Hi Lynne. I have been on a hunting mission today ......Starting with BMDs
If information is from the cert I will specify as I go
BIRTHS CASEY
Details from cert
Mary Amelia 9 Aug 1877 Father James Casey Farmer, Mother Amelia Casey Formerly Quinn Residence Yarcowie Dist Bur 186 397....Informant ?n Hickey, wife of Patrick Hickey Labourer. Reg 29 Aug 1877 A H Fowler Registrar
Mary Margaret 30 Jul 1883 Smithfield Dist Ade 309 181(James Casey and Amilia)
Gertrude Johanna 6 Jan 1885 Aldgate Dist Ade 343 28 (James and Aurelia)
James Leonard 30 Mar 1886 Stirling East Dist Ade 171 197 (James Daveron Casey and Emily)
DEATHS CASEY
Details From Cert
Mary Amelia 10 Feb 1879 18 months old child of James Casey labourer or Kooringa, at Kooringa Cause of Death Enterica Reported ? M Pearce Undertaker Kooringa Reg 13 Feb 1879 A H Forder Registrar Dist Bur 93 2
Johanna Gertrude 6 Months of Algate died 7 Jul 1885 at Algate Rel James Daveron Casey Dist Ade 147 362
Details From Cert
Francis Patrick, 24 Feb 1919, 30 Years, Railway Porter of Burra, born Williamstown Victoria. Age at marriage 25 Years, Number on Issue 1 Son, cause of death Phthisis - Haemoplysis, Severe For Years, Died Burra Hospital Informant A Fuss Undertaker Aberdeen. Reg Feb 26 1919 P Alsila Registrar........(Does indicate TB Lynne)
MARRIAGES CASEY
Details from Cert
James Casey 26 Years bachelor (father James) farmer of Terowie
Emily Quinn Spinster 18 Years (Father John)
St Josephs Kooringa both signed in the presence of James Quinn Labourer and Johanna Quinn both of Kooringa
Signed Aloysius Kriefel ..........Dist Bur 107 1041
James Leonard Casey 24 Years (Father James Daveron)
Lillian May Speed Spinster 17 Years (Father Frank Charlie Speed)
St Paul's Adelaide 2 Feb 1911 Dist Ade 248 Page 247
BURIAL RECORD
F P Casey age 30 Plot 3341 performed by CA Fuss Depth 7 feet Buried 25 Feb 1919
Date of Lease Feb 1919 Mrs Casey.......(I have checked The Grave is unmarked but I told him his Granddaughter was looking for him and sent your love)
Burial records are missing for the year Mary Amelia died
I see the school record lists his last school as Manoora about 40 kms away
QUINN
There is no birth in SA for Emily. As the obit for John Quinn states he arrived in SA in 1856 I suspect the children came with. You will need someone to check Immigration for that I can’t do that from here. Worth placing a request on the Emigrants to Australia Board http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,165.0.html and hopefully someone in Adelaide can check for you. Handy the Obit lists year of Arrival.... Also I note James and Johanna Quinn witnessed the marriage of James and Emily. There is no marriage of a James and Johanna in SA. (perhaps they are not married but siblings of Emily) I also note there are no Quinn Children in the school records at this time. Neither are there any death records for these people so perhaps they all left the state
DEATHS QUINN
Details from Cert
John Quin, 4 Feb 1894, 75 years, Labourer ,of Kooringa, next of kin not listed, cause of death senile decay Reported by H Bruse Undertaker Burra Reg 12 Feb 1894 AH Forder Registrar
Details from Cert
Mary Quinn, 28 Mar 1905, 77 years, Widow of Late John Quinn, Gardener of Kooringa, Usual Residence Kooringa, cause of death Morbus Cordis, death occurred Chappel Street Kooringa reported CJ Pearce Undertaker Kooringa reg 6 April 1905 RL Giles Registrar
I was sure I wrote down the burial plot for these 2 but I cant find it in my notes so will need to go again so I can see if there is any monument.....As you can see SA certs (early ones) are terrible....very little information provided and expensive to buy unlike your NSW ones
Enjoy.......Kris :D
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Wow Kris!!!!!!!!!!!
A huge THANK YOU for finding all this.
And you found my Grandfather's grave.......I'm thrilled., and for your message to him too. :'(
I can't wait to e-mail all this to my cousin Clare, in Melbourne. She will be excited too.
I will place a request on the Emigrants to Australia forum as well.....for the Casey's too. Thankyou for that tip.
I guess you must be in Burra?
One day I plan on visiting. My husband's Aunt has been there and said it was a fascinating place.
Many, many thanks again.
Regards,Lynne
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Hi caseykid,
Mary Margaret CASEY
born 30 Aug 1883.
Father: James Casey.
Mother: Amalia Quinn.
Place: Smithfield Ade.
Book;309.
Page:181
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James Leonard Casey
Born: 30 Mar 1886.
Age: 24
Father: James Daveron Casey.
Mother: Emily Croker Quinn.
Married: 2 Feb 1911
Wife: Lilian May Speed.
Age: 17
Father: Frank Charles Speed.
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Jeremiah Joseph Casey can not find a Marriage in WA. at all to that lady.
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I hadn't noticed this one until Ticker highlighted it.
Hi Caseykid
I seem to have started a snowball rolling! ;D Glad you're getting some good information at last.
Best wishes
Ticker
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Thanks for your 'Snowball' Ticker! :)
Thanks too to OzyBob........I didn't know Emily Quinn's middle name. That's new info! ;)
Without people like all of you I wouldn't have 90% of the info I now have.
It is appreciated..........and exciting.
I can see why it's so addictive too.....finding another snippet of information which leads to something else! :D
Regards,
Lynne
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Hi Lynne,
Glad to help, Hope your Cousin enjoyed too. I love looking for local information. Its great going though all the dusty old originals documents. When I saw OzyBob’s post, I assumed I must had typed the information up wrongly. I had a hectic day yesterday, on the go all day. Seemed a bit strange my notes agreed with what I had typed as I do double check things when I'm at the Library. Anyway I wanted to go back today to get the burial plot for the Quinn’s so rechecked and what I wrote is exactly as it appears in the Index. Because the events did not occur in this area I can’t check what those certs actually do say.
I found the burial plot numbers for John and Mary Quinn and went to check, but, alas, it is in a section of the cemetery where not much remains and if there ever was a monument, there no longer is....Pity. Here’s hoping passenger lists will find them. The burial Plots are 2325 and 2326 anyway.
Now as to other Casey’s in the area. Three Couples.
James Casey, 17 Feb 1874 at Redruth. Dist Bur 132 68, Father Jeremiah Casey Teamster, Mother Mary Ann O'Brien (Informant Father)
Margaret Casey. 5 Mar 1884 at Terowie, Dist Bur 326 348, Father Patrick Casey Labourer of Terowie, Mother Bridget Hines (Informant Father)
Bridget Casey, 18 Oct 1885 at Terowie. Dist Bur 361 280. Father Patrick Casey Labourer of Terowie mother Bridget Hines (Informant Father)
Thomas Casey, 7 Mar 1896 at Oodlawirra, Dist Bur 579 296, Father Patrick Casey Railway Packer at Oodlawirra, mother Bridget Hynes (Informant Father)
;D Now I've saved the best for last...A connection between this family and the Quinn’s ;D
Mary Josephine Casey, 18 Jul 1876 at Mt Bryan, Dist Bur 308 76, Father John Casey Labourer of Mt Bryan, Mother Mary Ann Casey formerly Casey....informant Mary Quinn (her mark) Friend, Wife of John Quinn of Kooringa
Margaret Ellen Casey, 2 Jul 1878 at Mt Bryan, Dist Bur 204 191, Father John Casey Overseer residing at Mt Bryan, mother Mary Ann Casey formerly Casey (Informant Father)
Jane Frances Casey, 14 Feb 1880 at Mt Bryan, Dist Bur 235 294, Father John Casey Manager at Mt Bryan Farm, mother Mary Ann Casey formerly Casey (Informant Father)
One other thing I did notice in Index was a couple of Earlier Births (Not in My Area) listed to Darby Casey and Mary Ann O'Brien (Just wondered when I saw the Darby if it might connect)
Bridget Casey 6 Jul 1859 Morphett Vale Dist Mo V 17 350
Mary Casey 3 Mar 1862 Kapunda Dist Kap 24 272
Cheers Kris :D
I just Looked and he is on the IGI Jeremiah Darby Casey so same one who had one child here and by the look of IGI lots of others all over the place. I just happened to notice these listed to a Darby as I was looking for local ones, so noted them.
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Woohoo!
Thanks Kris!
The link with John Quinn's wife and Mary Anne Casey is certainly interesting.
From the information we have just received re the possible other brothers of my G, Grandafther............one of them, John Casey, who lived in Burra married a Mary Casey. Casey also being her maiden name.
Her middle name was supposedly 'Elizabeth' not Ann?????? But they did have a daughter....Mary Josephine Cecilia Casey.......born Mt Bryan 1876! ;D ;D ;D
Leon, the G.G. Grandson of Jeremiah 'Darby' Casey knows that John Casey was definitely the brother of Jeremiah but was not sure if my G.Grandafther James Daveron Casey (who married Emily Quinn, daughter of John & Mary Quinn, Gardener of Kooringa) was indeed another brother. He did supply me details of both Jeremiah & John's children.......your information just confirms that. Names & dates are the same...........(where's the jumping up & down emoticon?) :D :D
I think Kris.......you have just found such a good connection between the Quinn/Casey families that we can be fairly sure that my G.Grandfather was another brother!!!!!!!!!!!
I will e-mail your post to Leon and Clare...........
I just don't know how to thank you enough!
Regards,
Lynne
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I AM TOO AM TRYING TO TRACE THE CASEY FAMILY BUT FROM IRELAND - I KNOW THAT MY GREAT GRANDFATHER LIVED IN KENMARE IN IRELAND AROUND 1880 ONWARDS - HE HAD FOUR CHILDREN I BELIEVE, JOHN, MARY, DENNIS (DENNYS) AND EUGENE - JOHN (MY GRANDFATHER EMIGRATED TO ENGLAND HE WAS BORN IN 1896 IN IRELAND AND MOVED TO ENGLAND AROUND 1911, I THINK, HIS SISTER MARY EMIGRATED TO AMERICA AND ANOTHER BROTHER TO AUSTRALIA. THE LAST BROTHER DENNIS (DENNYS) STAYED IN IRELAND. DENNIS (DENNYS) HAD TWO SONS , EUGENE AND DENNIS THAT I KNOW OF (WHO STILL LIVE IN KENMARE) AND ONE DAUGHTER MARY WHO CAME TO ENGLAND AND MARRIED A SOLDIER IN 1940S. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ALL CONNNECTED TO YOUR "CASEY FAMILY" BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTING TO FIND OUT. I HAVE TRIED TO TRACE HISTORY ON THE IRELAND CONNECTION BUT HAVE DRAWN A BLANK EACH TIME. THANKS ANN
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Ann- welcome to Rootschat.
You said sister Mary Casey went to America- any idea when? have you tried looking for her on www.ellisisland.org? if you do find a possible entry be sure and check both pages of the manifest for full details.
Brother to Australia- do you know his name and age? could he have fought in WWI? If so, check for military records on Australia National Archives site.
Do you know the parents' names? Any of the childrens birth certificates should list both father and mother and place of birth.
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A link to other Casey post to avoid dupilcation of effort (more details there):
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=254588.0;num_replies=0
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thanks for the tip on ellis island web page - have now found the sister marys, brother Eugene and my grandfather Johns emigration papers. I am so thrilled that i have now moved off the first rung of the ladder. The next thing i am going to do is get in touch with the mormon church records. thanks so much ANN
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Glad you found them on Ellis Island site. Did you look at both pages of the passenger manifest for each of them?
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do you mean the second page as the bit with details of height, disabilities, residency etc. Also do you have any ideas on how to trace details on when the two brothers left New York, 1 to go to Australia and 1 to England, would of been after 1911. Would there be any records anywhere or any good sites i could go on. Do you also know which site is the best to join for irish records, i am already a member of ancestry.co.uk, but i cannot seem to find anything there, should i join the worldwide section? thanks ann
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Yes, that's the second page.
Mary's death certificate in U.S. might have details like names of parents, birthplace, etc. depending on how much information the informant knew at the time of her death. Each state keeps separate records and has different rules as to what's available and who is allowed to get the information and what they put online. If Mary married her marriage certificate might give such details.
Ancestry is great for U.S. records but not for Irish ones so I wouldn't bother.
Your earlier post mentioned Kenmare in Ireland but there are quite a few places called Kenmare so you will need the county. Might be best to post a message on whatever the county board is with links to this and you other Casey posting. That way people with local knowledge will be able to help and offer suggestions.
The Irish birth certificates for any of the children should list the names of both parents, father's occupation, birthplace (a townland not just an area which you will need to follow up other records). With parents' names you can get their marriage and continue back, hopefully.
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Hi
I have just started researching our family tree and noticed your information.
I am the granddaughter of James Leonard Casey & Lilian May Speed m 1911 Adelaide SA.
They had 2 daughters Mary Jean Tottie Casey & Eileen Rose Casey before separating.
I have been looking for information on James Leonard but without result and wonder if you are able to shed any further info.
Many thanks and hope you are still researching and viewing rootschat....jann
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I have a picture of Jeremiah Joseph Casey, in a group of soldiers, 1902. Keen to locate current generation descendants.
Regards,
Clarke Whitehand
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