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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Shannon on Friday 22 March 19 14:18 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to trace Joseph Stewart - he married Anne Stringer (I requested some assistance with the Stringer line as well and got some much needed assistance).
I am now trying to find out where my line of Stewarts comes from.
I know that Joseph Stewart who married Anne Stringer (Liverpool 1820) and had 9 children in total, including my great-great grandfather, William Stringer Stewart. William Stringer Stewart spent many years in India and Sri Lanka and I am pretty clued up on the Stewarts from his generation forward.
For years now I was led to believe by my grandfather's notes that Joseph was descended of the Balquhidder Stewarts, but I discovered a couple of days ago that the only Joseph in that line died, unmarried in his twenties. So, back to the drawing board. I do know that Joseph Stewart was a mariner, and I have found one listed - attachment below. His birth date of 1795 seems to fit with the marriage date of 1820. It also says he was born in Lancashire, and the majority of records for his family seem to be based in Lancashire.
Is anyone able to assist me in tracing his parents/grandparents etc.?
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
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Have you got Joseph and Ann (and the 9 children) on the censuses? Assuming Joseph lived to at least 1841. If so, where and when does he say he was born?
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The Merchant Navy recors you have listed staes that Joseph was born 2 May 1795 in Liverpool. He first went to sea as an apprentice in 1810 and at some point spent 6 years in the Royal Navy. When not employed he resided in Liverpool. He was 5ft 53/4 ins tall, with a ruddy omplexion, grey hair and Dark brown eyes. What it doesn't give is the name of wife or next of kin.
Emeltom
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The Merchant Navy recors you have listed staes that Joseph was born 2 May 1795 in Liverpool. He first went to sea as an apprentice in 1810 and at some point spent 6 years in the Royal Navy. When not employed he resided in Liverpool. He was 5ft 53/4 ins tall, with a ruddy omplexion, grey hair and Dark brown eyes. What it doesn't give is the name of wife or next of kin.
Emeltom
Oh my word he was short - I'm 5' 6" :D :D
Typical - I can virtually find out what he had for breakfast, but not who his parents were ???
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Have you got Joseph and Ann (and the 9 children) on the censuses? Assuming Joseph lived to at least 1841. If so, where and when does he say he was born?
Hi,
As per the other response, it would seem he was born on the 2nd of May 1795 in Liverpool...
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That height wasn't unduly short for that time.
In 1841 census for Liverpool there's a Joseph Stewart , a mariner, but apparently born c 1800, with Ann, similar age, and presumably his wife, with children Mary 15, Joseph 10, Elizabeth 2, and Robert 1. They're in Cunliffe Street.
Is that any help at all?
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Looks like you have the right Census there ThrelfallYorky.
STEWART, ROBERT, Mothers mn STRINGER***
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 20 Page 329y
Unfortunately Joseph is not home in 1851;
Ann Stewart 46 Head, Mar, Shopkeeper, born Liverpool
Elizabeth Stewart 12
Robert Stewart 9
Bancroft Stewart 5
William Stinger 38 Visitor
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that looks like the right census as all the children's baptisms up to the second Ann on lan-opc say they lived in Cunliffe Street
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I'd also seen the Lancs OPC, and thought it possible. But the O.P. seems certain of the birthdate - could it be that there was a Joseph Stewart with that date, and, as often happened, he died young and a few years late there was a replacement born, and the two have been confused? I really couldn't find any stronger candidate than the one I did find.
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I suppose if Joseph was not quite sure what year he was born in 1841 he could have just had his 44th birthday making his yob 1797
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Yes, I do feel that with most people there wasn't the awareness then of exact ages that we so cling to today. As I said, I hunted for a chap to fit, and spent a long time doing it, hoping to help.
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Possible Death Reg;
STEWART, JOSEPH age 61**
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 50
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Yes, that does sound a likely chap, doesn't it?
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Yes very possibly him but I cant find him in 1851 Census!
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I've been having a look, with variable ages - but still all at sea??
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Yes that was my thought also :)
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Pursuing some very odd thinking, and latching on to the "William Stringer Stewart" named as a son, and casting round the age he might have been, I've come up with a totally wild card that's almost certainly wrong, so few specifics to tie to, but, there's a very young William Stringer, parents Joseph Stringer and Ann Stringer, ( too young for Shannon's chap's birthdate, and not mariner,) in 1851 Yorkshire, with older siblings Elizabeth and Joseph. Obviously that's not the right chap, but it set me thinking: We've no information about young William's age/ B of B, have we, that may help us? Could a child's surname be carried over after a re-marriage as an additional or "middle" name do you think? Might that have been how William got his full name?What happened to Ann?
Does Shannon have more information on William's siblings that could help us get a handle on his wider family? Shannon says they have information from Joseph's son William, onwards....
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I assume this is William
Baptism: 25 Sep 1826 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Stringer Stewart - [Child] of Joseph Stewart & Anne
Born: 10 Sep 1826
Abode: Cunliffe St
Occupation: Mariner
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Yes, we're pretty sure that's him. Can't get much further until we hear back from Shannon, can we? There are some trees with him featuring, on Ancestry, but some variations.
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Are you still looking for information on Joseph Stewart? I have notes from Derrick Stewart about him.