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Title: Joseph GALLAGHER b. 1887 advice please
Post by: fisherj on Sunday 17 March 19 16:49 GMT (UK)
The only information I have on Joseph Gallagher is his marriage certificate to Elizabeth Hannah Mably and his very brief RFC record.

He was born either on 7 of March or May 1887 (poor handwriting on his RFC record).  His father was James Gallagher, a carpenter journeyman. 

There are so many Joseph Gallaghers.  I have been unable to link him with James, his father, in an Irish or UK census.

But I have now found the following birth registration on Family Search:

Name    Joseph Gallagher
Event Type    Birth
Event Date    Apr - Jun 1887
Event Place    Glenties, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year    Apr - Jun 1887
Registration District    Glenties
Volume Number    2

Other than applying for a birth certificate, is there any way I can find out more about this Joseph Gallagher? 

Many thanks
Title: Re: Joseph GALLAGHER b. 1887 advice please
Post by: eilean donan on Sunday 17 March 19 18:24 GMT (UK)
 Go onto https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02571/1950557.pdfIrish Genealogy 
 onlhttps://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/24aba810006424?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3Djoseph%26namel%3Dgallagher%26location%3DGlenties%26yyfrom%3D1887%26yyto%3D1887%26type%3DB%26submit%3DSearchy 2 births recorded
Title: Re: Joseph GALLAGHER b. 1887 advice please
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 18:44 GMT (UK)
The only information I have on Joseph Gallagher is his marriage certificate to Elizabeth Hannah Mably and his very brief RFC record.

He was born either on 7 of March or May 1887 (poor handwriting on his RFC record).  His father was James Gallagher, a carpenter journeyman. 

There are so many Joseph Gallaghers.  I have been unable to link him with James, his father, in an Irish or UK census.

But I have now found the following birth registration on Family Search:

Name    Joseph Gallagher
Event Type    Birth
Event Date    Apr - Jun 1887
Event Place    Glenties, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year    Apr - Jun 1887
Registration District    Glenties
Volume Number    2

Other than applying for a birth certificate, is there any way I can find out more about this Joseph Gallagher? 

Many thanks



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Title: Re: Joseph GALLAGHER b. 1887 advice please
Post by: fisherj on Sunday 17 March 19 22:08 GMT (UK)
Thank you Eilean and Hallmark for pointing out that website to me.  I've already spent hours on it - though still not found my man!  The Joseph Gallaghers that I was looking for in Glenties don't have the right birth date.

Seriously though, it is useful even just as a process of elimination.

Many thanks again
Title: Re: Joseph GALLAGHER b. 1887 advice please
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 22:18 GMT (UK)



Have you searched 1901 census for James GALLAGHER carpenter??
Title: Re: Joseph GALLAGHER b. 1887 advice please
Post by: fisherj on Sunday 17 March 19 22:55 GMT (UK)
Yes - and sadly not found him.

From Joseph's marriage certificate (Reading, Berks, England) James was deceased by June 1918.  I am trying to find his death, guessing his age and assuming he was from/living in Ireland, Scotland or England.
Title: Re: Joseph GALLAGHER b. 1887 advice please
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 23:04 GMT (UK)



Probably in the EU...   ;D
Title: Re: Joseph GALLAGHER b. 1887 advice please
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 17 March 19 23:36 GMT (UK)
I wouldn't worry too much about the birth dates, keep an eye on the father and his job. As many can confirm birth days on certs are often incorrect as the parents fibbed to avoid a late registration fine.
There is an endless stream of babies baptised before they were born going by their birth certs ;D
Title: Re: Joseph GALLAGHER b. 1887 advice please
Post by: rathmore on Monday 18 March 19 12:23 GMT (UK)
donegal resources Glenties comes under Inishkeel

http://www.donegalgenelogy.com

find my past

http://www.findmypast.co.uk

but you have to pay to see these records on find my past

where did he marry and what date?
Title: Re: Joseph GALLAGHER b. 1887 advice please
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 18 March 19 13:54 GMT (UK)
Have you found Joseph in any English census? if so, what's listed for his place of birth? just Ireland? (the 1911 is the one most likely to give a more exact place of birth than 'Ireland').
Title: Re: Joseph GALLAGHER b. 1887 advice please
Post by: rathmore on Tuesday 19 March 19 12:08 GMT (UK)
did he serve in the first world war?
Title: Re: Joseph GALLAGHER b. 1887 advice please
Post by: fisherj on Monday 15 April 19 14:07 BST (UK)
Sorry for the delay in replying - yes - Joseph Gallagher did serve in the RFC from 1918 and RAF - I have his service number from his marriage certificate and very brief information from the National Archives on his service.  If only all the questions on the forms had been filled in! 

I don't know whether he was in another branch of the military before that but it is stated in his RFC record that he was a barman before joining.

The only documents I have re Joseph Gallagher are his marriage certificate and these RFC documents.

I have contacted Kew for information re pension etc but they say all is lost!

(I have been trying to get through this brick wall for years!)
Title: Re: Joseph GALLAGHER b. 1887 advice please
Post by: fisherj on Monday 15 April 19 14:21 BST (UK)
Sorry aghadowey for this late reply.  I think the email prompts for these messages from you and rathmore must have gone straight to my spam folder.  I need to check that.

Yes - I have tried looking for Joseph Gallagher in Irish, English (and Wales), Scottish censuses as well as "internationally" through Ancestry.com.  I have been unable to find a Joseph born in the right year with a father called James who was a carpenter.  There are loads of Gallaghers all over the world, it seems!  Actually "carpenter" does not appear to be a common profession.  But what if Joseph was not telling the truth about his father on his marriage certificate....

He married Elizabeth Hannah Mably in Reading, Berkshire in June 1918 and left the family around the time his daughter was born - well that's what we have been told.

I have also tried looking for a Joseph Gallagher b. 1887 in the 1939 census but that is so difficult because I am unsure of his profession after leaving the RAF.

I shan't give up hope - yet - though.