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Not sure if this is the right board to post in? I have drawn a complete blank in being able to find the information on a marriage between William John Bugden born 22 Jun 1890 and Esther Louisa Bugden born 14th Nov 1889. I am assuming they were married between 1911 and 1918. They were first listed on an electoral register together in 1918. William was 20 in the 1911 census and was in the navy. I don't know Esther's maiden name but based on other members trees which I assume to be slightly incorrect (in that they have her as marrying the wrong William Bugden) it may be Wilson - I have tried searching using this name but have found nothing. I am using ancestry.com but can't find any information about their marriage. Can anyone recommend any ways I can look for this information? I also have them together in the 1939 register so I am confident it is the right match.
Thank you in advance.
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It might be the right match but it doesn't mean they necessarily ever married. They may have simply lived together.
If they had children you can look up their births to find the mothers maiden name.
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Mmn was Wilson on the Dec qtr 1919 birth reg of daughter Esther C Bugden in Thanet district.
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So: Esther Louise Wilson, birth reg Sep qtr 1889 Thanet, looks interesting (born & living in Margate in the censuses).
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Brilliant, thank you very much! So if I can't find any evidence of a marriage but she was listed in electoral registers as Bugden could it be possible they didn't actually marry but lived as a married couple? Would it be too much to assume this if I can't find the marriage?
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It’s the natural inference if after all the usual searches you don’t find a marriage. Not that uncommon.
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Could they have married abroad? Or in Ireland or Scotland? At sea? Isle of Man or Channel Isles?
Have you tried looking for a marriage under groom's name only and a separate search for marriage of bride only? Esther may have been married before and married William under her married name. Either of them may have had a previous, brief wartime marriage.
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There’s a birth registration of a Daniel Henry Bugden mmn Wilson in Shoreditch in 1912. Is he theirs? If a pregnancy took them by surprise when young and away from home, they might not have got round to a wedding.
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There’s a birth registration of a Daniel Henry Bugden mmn Wilson in Shoreditch in 1912. Is he theirs? If a pregnancy took them by surprise when young and away from home, they might not have got round to a wedding.
They would have been extremely young. :o
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There’s a birth registration of a Daniel Henry Bugden mmn Wilson in Shoreditch in 1912. Is he theirs? If a pregnancy took them by surprise when young and away from home, they might not have got round to a wedding.
They would have been extremely young. :o
Early 20s.
I can’t easily see what happened to Daniel.
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:-[ Either my maths or eyesight or not paying attention.
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Your legs have been 'virtually' slapped!! ;D
Giggsy
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Your legs have been 'virtually' slapped!! ;D
Giggsy
Noooo! That’s not the Rootschat way :)
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giggsycat, that reminds me of infant school. Getting too many sums wrong/not paying attention in some Junior classes warranted the strap.
I ought to have known because a GF was born at same time as this couple.
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I hope it didn't hurt Maiden Stone!
I had the back of my legs smacked with a ruler once in Junior School.
I didn't tell my Mum until many years after, and she was furious with the teacher!
Giggsy
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There’s a birth registration of a Daniel Henry Bugden mmn Wilson in Shoreditch in 1912. Is he theirs? If a pregnancy took them by surprise when young and away from home, they might not have got round to a wedding.
They would have been extremely young. :o
c.22 ???
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They did marry but in Scotland.
William John Bugden and Esther Louisa Wilson married 1915 St. Nicholas (Aberdeen).
If you register with Scotland People and purchase some credits you can download the marriage certificate.
Annette
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I posed a multiple choice question in reply #6 and Annette has selected the correct answer - Scotland.
Ruler on back of legs was a punishment when I was 5 or 6. Strap from age 7. A misdemeanour deserving the strap was getting too many sums wrong - subtracting 1890 from 1912 and putting answer as 12. ;D
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Maidenstone - I got the ruler on the palms of my hands for talking, only 6/7 years old I believe. The worst of it was that it wasn't actually me and the real culprit wouldn't own up.
Annette
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Thank you very much for your help everyone, I have purchased some credits and got the record for their marriage in Scotland :) Now I just need to work out what they were doing getting married in Scotland!
I didn't know about Scotland People and think it will come in handy for some other ancestors too.
Always blown away by the support I get on this forum, as a beginner it is invaluable!
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I have purchased some credits and got the record for their marriage in Scotland :) Now I just need to work out what they were doing getting married in Scotland!
Perhaps William was based there during the war and they married when he had leave. Let us know what the marriage certificate says.
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This is the information on William John Bugden on Imperial War Museum Lives of the First World War Digital Memorial website.
Search for him under Bugden surname and tick box for Royal Navy. He didn't show up when I looked for William Bugden, Royal Navy.
William John Bugden
22/06/1890 - Not yet known
Royal Navy, service no. 237534
0 remembering
Life Story.
Born Margate, Kent 1890 (Source Royal Navy Seamen 1899-1919)
1914 Outbreak of war
1918 Armistice
Death - Not Yet Known
You can add information to his life story, with evidence until this week-end. I received another reminder today that there are only a few days left to add to profiles. You just need to register, find your ancestor's profile, click that you are remembering him, then you can add to his life story.
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Thank you, I found this website but was unable to pay for a subscription as it was too close to closing (I emailed and said I didn't mind not getting my month's worth but they said it wasn't possible). I am pleased that I am able to add information without a subscription.
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Thank you, I found this website but was unable to pay for a subscription as it was too close to closing (I emailed and said I didn't mind not getting my month's worth but they said it wasn't possible). I am pleased that I am able to add information without a subscription.
I wasn't asked for a subscription. I found it and registered last November.