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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: samhuzz on Sunday 10 March 19 19:12 GMT (UK)
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Hello
I am trying to find the marriage of Lawrence/Laurence Burke and Margaret Costello. In the 1911 census it says they have been married 9 years. This seems correct as I can find Lawrence on his own in the 1901, but no further record of Margaret anywhere. She is my brickwall. I only know her surname is Costello from the children's birth records. They lived in Nutgrove or Feebrack, Tynagh. No record of them on the Irish Genealogy website.
Sorry I am quite new to the Irish side of Genealogy.
Kind regards, Samantha
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Maybe Married outside Ireland OR did not Register it.
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Maybe not registered as Hallmark says.
Here is 1911 census http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Pallas/Feebrack__or_Nutgrove/472865/
Thomas Joseph is 7 yrs
Here is his birth - 1904 with a note ‘registered on Statutory Declaration’ there are more on the page.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01802/1706509.pdf
Not sure what that means - other than not registered at the correct time of birth. :-\
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Death of a Lawrence Burke in 1948
died at Nutgrove, Tynagh
Widower
Age is 85
Informant - son Thomas J Burke, also of Nutgrove
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1948/04563/4205169.pdf
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Thanks very much. Was it common for marriages not to be registered? Or would they not have been married at all? Common with my English side, but I don't know about in Ireland!
Kind regards
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Hi
I guess the problems we sometimes have with finding marriages in England will apply in Ireland too!
Got Margaret's death, 30 May 1931, age 52. She died at the Central Hospital, Galway.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1931/04897/4326880.pdf
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Thanks very much for that. Can anyone suggest another way to find Margaret's parents? I match with some Costellos on Ancestry DNA, but they haven't got enough info on their trees for me to work out the link.
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Thanks very much. Was it common for marriages not to be registered? Or would they not have been married at all? Common with my English side, but I don't know about in Ireland!
Kind regards
Common enough.
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I thought Margaret could have been married previously but I can’t see a marriage for Laurence Burke to Margaret anybody at the right time.
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Laurence Burke left a will
Probate 9 August 1948, Dublin, to Thomas J Burke
Effects £260
Calendar entry on this pdf
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nht/
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That's great, thanks very much jonw! Thomas J Burke was my great grandfather.
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Thanks very much for that. Can anyone suggest another way to find Margaret's parents? I match with some Costellos on Ancestry DNA, but they haven't got enough info on their trees for me to work out the link.
Do these Costellos have Galway roots?
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Hello
Yes, Margaret is showing as born in Co Galway in the 1911 census. A few of the Ancestry Costellos say they are from Galway but not which part. The closest match in cms is 50.
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I know Margaret shows Galway but as you say difficult to find her birth. Have you found anything with other shared names?
With my matches and my husband’s, I have looked at Civil records and parish records to try to match people. I have had a little success but am still cautious.
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The problem with mine is I have many illegitimates, so I have lots of unknowns. Also I'm a bit thick with the whole DNA thing!
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Maybe married overseas, such as Gibraltar? Was he in the army? Also check if there are any children and where their first born was registered. Grasping at straws, I know.
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I have seen marriages in US with Irish couples - or England. I have had a quick look but can’t see anything nor any snippets in newspapers.
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In 1901 Lawrence was in Nutgrove
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Pallas/Feebrack_or_Nutgrove/1396333/
There are a couple of Margaret Costellos not too far away :-\
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In 1901 Lawrence was in Nutgrove
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Pallas/Feebrack_or_Nutgrove/1396333/
There are a couple of Margaret Costellos not too far away :-\
Was just about to say the same...... with this one quite a possible
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Leitrim/Leitrim___More/1388730/
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Killeen,+Leitrim,+Co.+Galway/@53.1599708,-8.5032252,11z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x485c7c113d65c8cd:0xf5dcf46cdcc0de9e!8m2!3d53.1599726!4d-8.4857156
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pallas,+Co.+Galway/@53.1273526,-8.3713852,11z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x485c62c5129ebac7:0xd9619db7427db9e0!8m2!3d53.1275794!4d-8.3630522
Given that they are 9 yrs married, with 9 y.o son in 1911 who wasn't registered until 5 month old does point to them possibly "being absent" and returning married with baby
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She certainly does look a possibility - looking at naming patterns of the children and parents
Laurence’s parents - Thomas and Bridget
That Margaret’s - James and Mary
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She certainly does look a possibility - looking at naming patterns of the children and parents
Laurence’s parents - Thomas and Bridget
That Margaret’s - James and Mary
Agewise too. 7 on 1901 Census, Single, Galway born, Age 22 (+/-5 yrs) http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nhu/ some of which can probably be accounted for by Marriages. Dau of James/Mary.... unless there is a Marriage for her on irishgenealogy!! ;D
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Thanks all. I'll check the names of my Costello links ancestors to see if I can see any names that match.
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Check their names and any places given. The family of the one we have looked at here use Costelloe too.
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This is the family as I can see
Mary Theresa DoB Dec 11 1902 Bap Dec 13 1902 Sponsors: Thomas BREHONY & Honoria DONOHUE
Thomas Joseph DoB Mar 27 1904 Bap Apr 03 1904 Sponsors: James COSTELLO & Mary BURKE
Bridget Ellen DoB Nov 20 1905 Bap Nov 25 1905 Sponsors: Denis KENNEDY & Sarah HACKETT
Margaret Mary DoB Dec 01 1906 Bap Dec 08 1906 Sponsors: John BREHONY & Mary Jane BREHONY
Anne Maria DoB Jul 29 1908 Bap Aug 09 1908 Sponsors: Michael BREHONY & Mary COSTELLO
James DoB Oct 10 2010 Bap Oct 16 2010 Sponsors: Joseph CARR & Ann CARR
Laurence Alphonsius DoB Sep 30 1912 Bap Aug 20 2012 Sponsors: Thomas HOULAHAN & Margaret DWYER
Gertrude Matilda DoB Jun 28 2014 Bap Jul 05 2014 Sponsors: John KILLALEA & Matilda BREHONY
Agnes DoB Jan 13 1916 Bap Jan 23 1916 Sponsors: Thomas BURKE & Bridget HOULAHAN
Noting for the sponsors:
There are two sponsors named James and Mary COSTELLO at different times
There is also a Honoria DONOHUE for the first child
There is a person of this name living in Woodford married to a Stephen DONOHUE whose maiden name was COSTELLO
In 1901 she was aged 42 LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Marble_Hill/Drum/1388856/)
She could have been a relative to Margaret - her father's name was also Lawrence
She had at least two sisters
Judith mx2 Pat HYNES Feb 13 1872; and Michael FLYNN Nov 21 1886
Bridget/Ellen (depending on church or civil record) m Feb 06 1894
For some of the other sponsors-
The BREHONYs were neighbours on the 1901 & 1911 censuses are listed as sponsors
Their mother was a Jane GORDON so I don't immediately see a close connection
Joseph and Ann CARR (nee COYE m Nov 29 1888) were neighbours with no children
In 1901 Lawrence's niece was living with him named Mary HACKETT (b Jul 12 1884 Woodford)
She I believe was the daughter of Michael HACKETT and Sarah BURKE
Therefore the sponsor Sarah HACKETT was most likely Lawrence's sister
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In 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Leitrim/Leitrim___More/1388730/
There are two nieces with the Costelloes.
Sarah Kennedy mmn Delia Costelloe
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02069/1790422.pdf
Denis Kennedy married Delia Costelloe and Margaret Costelloe was a witness.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10519/5831673.pdf
There is a Denis Kennedy sponsor to Bridget Ellen in 1905
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Hello
Yes that's the correct family thank you. Sorry for being stupid but what does it mean by sponsors? Margaret Mary Burke married a Breheny. Thomas Joseph was my great grandfather. You are correct about the Sarah Hackett also. Mary Burke, sponsor of Tom Joe's baptism is Lawrence's other sister. I don't think she ever married, she was a teacher according to the censuses.
Thank you very much for the info.
Kind regards, Samantha
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I've just checked my Kennedy DNA matches and I have quite a lot! Closest is 21cm though, so quite small.
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Sponsors are the Godparents.
The Kennedy connection, if correct, would be through the marriage of Margaret’s sister.
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Thanks for that heywood. It's a lot to learn, the rest of my family have no religion whatsoever and mostly married in Register Offices, which has proved expensive with certificates etc. The James Costello, sponsor at Tom Joe's baptism could well be the James Costello in the 1901 census couldn't it? Unsure about the Mary Costello though. None of my tree matches have a mother or father for Margaret Costello either, which is strange.
Thanks
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Staying with the 1901 census at house 6 in Leitrim - More (Leitrim, Galway) LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Leitrim/Leitrim___More/1388730/)
by 1911 there is living at house 9 in Leitrim More (Leitrim, Galway) a James COSTELLOE most likely the son with his family; and possibly Margaret BURKE's brother
He married a Mary DONOHOE on Nov 16 1904
James COSTELLOE of Leitrim died Oct 10 1905 aged 69; LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05576/4566134.pdf)
Mary COSTELLOE of Leitrim-more died Oct 26 1907 a widow aged 65 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05501/4541299.pdf)
Informant on both their son James
This couple had children as James COSTELLOE & Mary DWYER
Mary Anne b Sep 07 1864 cannot see other records immediately
John Joseph b Sep 01 1869 I think married Mary KANE on Dec 08 1897
Catherine Josephine b Apr 20 1972 bap Apr 20 1872 cannot see other records immediately
Bridget b Apr 28 1875 bap Feb 03 1875 possibly Delia who married Denis Kennedy
Margaret Maria b May 09 1877 bap Apr 08 1877 as shown on 1901 census as 23?
James b Nov 20 1879 bap Jul 19 1879as shown on 1901 census as 21?
Dates of birth are from Civil Registers and Baptism from Church Records LINK (https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0325)
Unfortunately the church records for marriage do not go up to the early 1900s
Also it was not unusual for baptisms to show dates earlier than the date of birth as children were baptised immediately but registered when they could! to save being fined for a late registration a recent date was sometimes given!
If these calculations are correct
Margaret's parents were James COSTELLOE & Mary DWYER b May 09 1877 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03005/2101702.pdf)
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John COSTELLO and his wife Mary nee KANE are living in Dublin in 1901 LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Ranelagh_Avenue/1293887/)
Their son Frederick John was born in Dublin LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01986/1764739.pdf) on Aug 02 1900
and earlier James was born in Galway according to the census but I cannot see a birth
They are still in Dublin in 1911 LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Ranelagh_Avenue/44358/)
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Thanks so much for this my luck. It certainly seems logical to me for them to be her parents, taking everything into account.
Thanks for your help, much appreciated
Kind regards, Samantha
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She certainly does look a possibility - looking at naming patterns of the children and parents
Laurence’s parents - Thomas and Bridget
That Margaret’s - James and Mary
Agewise too. 7 on 1901 Census, Single, Galway born, Age 22 (+/-5 yrs) http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nhu/ some of which can probably be accounted for by Marriages. Dau of James/Mary.... unless there is a Marriage for her on irishgenealogy!! ;D
So you can confirm correct family?
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John COSTELLO and his wife Mary nee KANE are living in Dublin in 1901 LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Ranelagh_Avenue/1293887/)
Their son Frederick John was born in Dublin LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01986/1764739.pdf) on Aug 02 1900
and earlier James was born in Galway according to the census but I cannot see a birth
They are still in Dublin in 1911 LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Ranelagh_Avenue/44358/)
Myluck,
You have a date for the marriage of John and Mary Kane - can you see the civil record!
I can’t find it and wonder whether it is missing along with Laurence and Margaret Burke’s marriage.
Perhaps records not passed on etc.
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You could be correct heywood
I was looking a transcriptions from Leitrim Parish on rootsireland.ie for church marraiges
It could be that these were not civil registered
The joys of research!
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Myluck!
Just noticed that you also have Burkes on your signature. I know it is a common name in Ireland, are yours linked to mine at all?
Kind regards Samantha
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Probably not - they are the OHs and all from around Kilkenny/Waterford area
Confused by several variations of the name including Burque etc. to add to the fun!
Although I had extended family who were Costellos around the Roscommon/Galway border area...
My Great Grand Aunt married a Costello and also a grand Aunt married into a different Costello family.
I don't see a link though
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Hello
I am a related to the Costelloes from Leitrim you are discussing, can I be of assistance ?
Sean C Jnr
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Margaret Costelloe immigrated to the USA, her brother is my Grandfather. James is my GG and James before him GGG. Always been in Leitrimmore as well.
Sean C Jnr
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The Margaret Costelloe that married Burke from Nutgrove was born in 1881, Father James, mother Margaret Mary Martin. Margaret Costelloe from Leitrimmore is the sister of Delia Kennedy, but was still unmarried and at home in Leitrimmore in 1901 census. Burke and his Margaret married in 1897 .
This other James Costelloe and Margret Mary Costelloe nee Martin was from Burrogue, also East Galway, Woodford area.
I have family still in Leitrimmore,
Thanks
MacO