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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: Anchor425 on Friday 08 March 19 03:46 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Does anyone have any info on Bernard and Sarah Magee (McGee) nee McGrory from Co. Fermanagh who arrived in NSW on ship "Alfred", with five daughters, the youngest of whom, Sidney was born during the voyage. My connection is through the eldest child, Annie (1849-1930) who married a migrant from Co. Galway, John Flatley (1835-1916) in Sydney, NSW in 1969.
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arrived in NSW 1860, Bernard 35, Sarah 33?, Anne 10, Mary Jane 8, Eliza 6, Sarah about 1, Sidney.
hard to find if you do not have name of townland in Fermanagh.
when Annie got married to it say which townland she was from, or when they died?
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One would need to know their Religion too....
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/church.htm
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/church2.htm
but haven't looked as I don't know Religion.
R.C. ones are online free. You'd need idea of Parish!
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The immigration record shows them as RC.
Sarah's baptism 22 March 1857 (right hand page, first baptism after marriages)
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632830#page/2/mode/1up
Debra :)
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Many thanks Debra & others
I believe you have found what part of Fermanagh my McGees were from with Sarah's record of baptism viz Magheraculmany RC Parish. The date of the baptism is consistent with her age on immigration (surname recorded as Magee) of 1 yr & 6 mths. The surname of the sponsors, McDonagh is not familiar to me; perhaps they are an uncle & aunt?
Best wishes
Kevin
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What BDM certificates do you have for this family?
Who is Margaret DUFFY?
"Alfred" arrived Sydney 6 Jan 1860
MAGEE Bernard 35yrs both (read and write)
MAGEE Sarah 33 yrs
MAGEE Anne 10yrs dau read
MAGEE Mary Jane 8yrs dau
MAGEE Eliza 6 yrs dau
MAGEE Sarah 1yr 6mths dau
MAGEE Sidney infant dau
DUFFY Margaret 1yr 6mths niece
All native place Fermanagh
All Roman Catholic
All children neither read nor write
BDM NSW births
500216 / 1860 MAGEE Sydney parents Bernard / Sarah marine
9312 / 1864 MAGEE Ellen parents Bernard / Sarah @ Kiama
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Is this your family?
SMH 7 Jul 1890 p10
Friends of the late Mrs. SARAH McGEE MUNDAY......her funeral......late residence 36 Francis Street Glebe.........
Friends of Joseph McGEE ........his mother the late Mrs Sarah M'Gee MUNDAY, residence No 35 Francis Street Glebe.....
The friends of Mr. Alexander McGRORY .......funeral of his beloved SISTER, the late Sarah McGee Monday....her late resdence No 36 Francis street Glebe...
The friends of James KING, George HIGGINS, John PEARCE and Joseph LOW.....mother-in-law, Sarah McGee Munday........ her late resedence No 36 Francis-st, Glebe
Rookwood Catholic Cemetery
MONDAY Sarah 62yrs 07/07/1890 SEC*M1*CC**49
NSW BDM death
5258/1890 MUNDAY Sarah parents UKN / UKN @ Glebe
NSW BDM marriage
706/1878 MCGEE Susan marr. HIGGINS George @ Sydney
3439/1880 MACGEE Mary Jane marr. LOWE Waclen @ Grafton
1787/1880 MACGEE Henry Jane marr. LOWE Joseph @ Glebe
2536/1883 MACGEE Ellen marr. PIERCE John @ Glebe
Evening News 4 Apr 1870 p3
..death by drowning of Bernard MGEE....Circular Quay.....Sarah MGEE....her husband...resides Darling Street Ultimo.....he was native of Fermanagh...45 years old......widow and seven children.....
NSW BDM death
411 / 1870 MACGEE Bernard age about 45 years died Sydney Cove
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The priest in the earlier baptisms does not seem to record mothers names at all
but saw this baptism
Bernardim of Alexandri McGee appears to possibly be 26th March 1837
left hand side a few baptisms down from heading Rigistrum Baptismall,pro anno 1837
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632829#page/4/mode/1up
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Left hand page
Nov 2nd 1838
Sarah fillia Gulmia Magroury just a possible ( Gulielmus latin for William)
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632829#page/12/mode/1up
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Second marriage for widowed (1870) Sarah MAGEE
NSW BDM
1382 / 1873 MUNDAY Patrick marr. MACGEE Sarah @ Newtown
This marriage certificate will be useful to your research. Sarah will give information about her origins, and her first marriage and family.
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Thanks wivenhoe for finding the NSW index record of marriage of Sarah Macgee to Patrick Munday in 1873. I had been aware of it as I had been searching that register for a marriage of her daughter Sarah (baptized Sarah McGee 22 Mar 1857), and found two others as well -
05/1875 TUCKER JAMES ALBERT MCGEE SARAH SYDNEY
2582/1883 BAKER EDWARD MCGEE SARAH GLEBE
Sarah 2 would have been 16 in 1873 and while she should have been a help in caring for her younger sibs I daresay there would have been pressure on the widow with seven children to downsize her household, &/or re-marry. Perhaps Sarah 2 married J. Tucker or E. Baker? Was there a third Sarah in Sydney at the time?
In response to your Q in Reply #5, as yet, I havn't purchased any certificates as I have not been certain of identifying the right people, but you and the others are helping a lot in this process. The variation in the spelling of the surname McGee (Magee, M'Gee) makes research more difficult using sites such as the NSW Register of BDM and Trove.. I was about to ask you how you knew widow Sarah married Patrick Munday, then I saw your post #6. This contains a lot of info and now I believe I can answer your other Q with some confidence in stating that this family is mine, especially with references to Sarah M'Gee Munday, her brother Alexander McGrory (Sarah's maiden name, as I thought), and her naming as a witness in the coronial inquiry of the drowning of Bernard M'Gee. Niece, Margaret Duffy may have been adopted and remained with them as the seventh child.
Thanks also to dathai for searching for the baptisims of Bernard and Sarah but the ones you have found a probably a decade too late, as we belive their first child was born in 1849.
Best wishes :D
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Hi, Anchor425. I came upon your post quite recently. I think we might be somehow related. I am a descendant of the Mellare-Flatley (McGee) family on my mother's side. Great work here! I am glad someone has looked into this side of the family.
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Hello Annemaree
:D We certainly are related as my older paternal aunt was Lorna May Mellare, nee Farrell (1915-1999) who married Lawrence Bernard ("Nugget") Mellare in Lismore in 1936. Nugget was the youngest of 10 children of Jack and Sarah Ann. Which one are you descended from?
My father was Kevin John Farrell (1918-1989). You can find part of my family tree on geni.com, basic membership of which is free, by searching my father.
Very best wishes for the New Year.
Kevin
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Hi, Kevin. Happy New Year and thanks for your reply. Lovely to connect with you.
On my mother's side, my grandmother was Ethel Mellare (Waters) who married Thomas E. Waters. She was Sarah Anne Flatley's (Mellare) daughter, I am not sure which child she was. I could ask my mother but her memory is not what it used to be. Yesterday, I told her about your research which was funny because she always thought the Flatleys came from Cork, Ireland. Galway and Northern Ireland are a long way from Cork! I think my mother mentioned Bernard, she recalled him fondly before he passed.
I will look up your family on Geni, then. My grandfather is Thomas E. Waters (who married Ethel Mellare). I searched his maternal family, which originated from Whitegate in Clare Co., Ireland. So really, both my grandparent's ancestors have Irish each way you look. It was nice to see the family tree extended to Galway and Northern Ireland as well.
Anne Maree
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Anne Maree
The origin of the Flatley family may be conjectural. According to his obituary of 18 Aug 1916 (The Richmond River Herald and Northern Districts Advertiser (NSW), John Flatley (1835-1916) was born in Galway, and this is engraved on his cemetery monument in Coraki (findagrave.com). A NSW immigration record/passenger manifest may provide more info. I have found one for a Thomas Flatley, age 26, who arrived on "Lady Milton" in 1862, and was from Co. Sligo.
Kevin
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Oh, that is confusing! All part of the genealogy game, I suppose. When I searched for the Collins family emigrating to Melbourne, via Port Phillip, I found a possible match but the age was a bit off. Could John/Thomas Flatley have moved to Sligo from Galway?
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Thomas was another person, maybe a cousin of John.
NSW Death:
FLATLEY THOMAS 13573/1914 THOMAS CATHERINE MACLEAN
FLATLEY JOHN 12830/1916 MICHAEL LISMORE
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FLATLEY THOMAS 13573/1914 THOMAS CATHERINE MACLEAN
FLATLEY JOHN 12830/1916 MICHAEL LISMORE
Ah, okay, that could be the case. So who is 'Michael from Lismore' referring to? Is that his son?
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Sorry. I should have provided more inf. The names on the right were recorded by the surviving NOK as the parents. Michael was John's father, but his mother's name was not given. This is from the NSW Index on BDM, found online at https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/
Name Registration Number Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District
FLATLEY JOHN 12830/1916 MICHAEL LISMORE
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Ah, I see now. Thanks for the heads up.
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Anne Maree
An excellent source of info on the descendants of John Flatley can be found at https://www.newitaly.org.au/the-families/flately-john/
Where do you fit in?
Kevin
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Hi, Kevin
Thanks for the link. I have not looked at this side of the family for ages! Sarah Ann Flatley was my great-grandmother. Her daughter Ethel Mellare (child number 5) was my grandmother. If you click on Ethel Mellare's children, my mother is Esme but you cannot find our names on there, LOL. Sadly, all my mother's brothers have died. How do you fit into the picture?
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"Our names" meant my sister and me, Esme had two children.
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Hello Anne Maree
We are connected by the marriage of a Farrell to a Mellare. My father was Kevin John Farrell (1918-1989) and his older sister, Lorna May Farrell (1915-1999) married a son of John Mellare (1868-1956) and Sarah Ann nee Flatley (1872-1955), (Lawrence) Bernard Mellare (1909-1949) in Lismore in 1936.
Kind regards
Kevin
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Hi, Kevin
I had to read that a few times, haha! I found your work on Geni and can see the connection there. Colossal job, it must have taken ages to source information about the extended family.
Most recently I focused on the maternal family of my grandfather, Thomas Waters (who married Ethel Mellare), which I traced back to Ireland's west coast, in Whitegate. His paternal side is connected to the Famine Orphans who came to Sydney under the Earl Grey Scheme.
I am glad you covered this side of the family. Any genealogy tips? Those old handwritten Church records are impossible to read!
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Family history is my hobby and I have been at it for decades, and more so since I retired some 10 Yrs ago.
The pages of the old Irish RC Priests' books have been indexed but access may not be free. I suggest you try https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/ and/or Ancestry.com. The latter can be accessed for free at a public library (at least in QLD), some of which have a visiting volunteer genealogist who may be able to help as well.
I can't find much about Thomas E. Waters other than his wedding to Ethel Mellare in Lismore in 2022. Do you have any details of his birth, death and parents. An index of famine orphans has
one person with the Waters surname, viz. Ann Waters, from Sligo, age 14, RC, arrived on "Lady Kennaway", Melbourne, 1848 (https://irishfaminememorial.org/orphans/database/). Is this the connection you mentioned?
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I tried to attach a photo from a book another family member wrote about the Waters' name but the file is too large here. Thomas E. Waters was born in 1903. His parents were Henry John Waters and Mary Anne Walsh. I cannot remember what year he died, I could ask my mother but she is having trouble remembering. My grandfather's line is traced back to the Weeks and Slattery family. Mary Slattery is in the famine orphan database:
https://irishfaminememorial.org/details-page/?pdb=8493 (https://irishfaminememorial.org/details-page/?pdb=8493)
It was only recently someone added her parents' names.
https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/kilkenny-famine-experience-2017 (https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/kilkenny-famine-experience-2017)
Such sad stuff :(
I am pretty sure someone from the extended family (Garrard) did the research and he traced the Waters family back to the mid-1700s. Bummer that the picture of the family tree is too large.
I traced the ancestry of Mary Anne Walsh to the Collins family in Whitegate, Co. Galway/Clare.
Thanks for the information. I still work full-time and occasionally check the RC parish records, when I have time. The writing is a nightmare and some of the pages are very faint. I suppose it is practice reading them.