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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: nanny jan on Wednesday 27 February 19 11:46 GMT (UK)
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According to a post on Facebook FindMyPast are busy digitising the census. :)
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Hopefully as they have over two years to do it they should not make too many mistakes ??? ;D
I don't think they will be releasing it early
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Is that for England & Wales?
The Scottish one will only be available through Scotlands People as is the 1911 Census. I believe they are busy digitising it in Edinburgh.
Can't wait :)
Dorrie
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I guess only England and Wales; 2022 was suggested as a possible release......just hope I'm still alive!
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http://www.1921census.org.uk/
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I wonder how many funny answers we'll get, like the people on the 1911 who added their pets.
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I like the observations on the fact that the census was delayed until June and many people were on their holidays so places like Blackpool had an increase in their 'population' and we won't necessarily find our families where we are expecting to :)
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The employment details will be very useful.
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Cannot wait. They wont be under any pressure to release 1931 as it does not survive, and no census was taken in 1941.
Shows how many censuses were released after less than 100 years so no promise whatsoever was made that the censuses would be closed for 100 years.
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Unfortunately as you say Coombs the 1931 Census for England and Wales no longer exists. It was destroyed by fire in 1942 during WW2.
The Scottish 1931 Census is still intact as it was and still is stored in Scotland.
I will probably be kicking up the daisies by the time it is released ;D
Dorrie
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Cannot wait. They wont be under any pressure to release 1931 as it does not survive, and no census was taken in 1941.
Shows how many censuses were released after less than 100 years so no promise whatsoever was made that the censuses would be closed for 100 years.
BIB That point has been raised many times before and so I am not going to rehearse the arguments again, save to say that all Censuses from 1921 onwards do fall under the legislation prohibiting publication before 100 years.
I know there are some, and one person in particular, who will dispute this. That is their right but they are not going to see a 1921 or later census earlier than 100 years after it was taken. (1939 Register was not a census and so is irrelevant to the discussion).
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Well I heard that they were going to publish it in 2022 so 3 years off then.
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If it's 100 years shouldn't it be available in June 2011?
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If it's 100 years shouldn't it be available in June 2011?
That would have been eight years ago, after 90 years.😄
Publication date for the 1921 census is 2nd January 2022, because the 1st is a Bank Holiday.
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At this stage it will be exclusively on FindMyPast.
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Cannot wait. They wont be under any pressure to release 1931 as it does not survive, and no census was taken in 1941.
Shows how many censuses were released after less than 100 years so no promise whatsoever was made that the censuses would be closed for 100 years.
BIB That point has been raised many times before and so I am not going to rehearse the arguments again, save to say that all Censuses from 1921 onwards do fall under the legislation prohibiting publication before 100 years.
I know there are some, and one person in particular, who will dispute this. That is their right but they are not going to see a 1921 or later census earlier than 100 years after it was taken. (1939 Register was not a census and so is irrelevant to the discussion).
Can you show me one piece of legislation other than the 1966 Statutory Instrument number 12 that brought the 100 year rule it being (and was itself repealed by the Freedom of Information Act 2000) that prohibits the release of information from the census for 100 years.
The Census Act 1920 prohibits release forever as does the Census Confidentiality Act 1991.
The Census Act 1920 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ngf/
The Census Confidentiality Act 1991 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ngg/
The first Census to carry the claim it would be confidential for 100 years was the 1981 census and the Registrar General later was forced to apologise to Parliament for exceeding his authority in making such a claim on the census schedule.
The nearest thing is the Data Protection Act 1997 as amended by the General Data Protection Regulation 2018 (GDPR).
You know there is no legislation to back up your claim otherwise you would make that legislation public.
You may be interested to read the Commons debate on the release of the 1911 census
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n2h/
Cheers
Guy
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But are they going to include it in the sub from the start, or ask people to pay out again as they did for the 1911 census and - for a short time - the 1939 Register?
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Excuse me being dim but why will it be released in 2022 not 2021 ???
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Excuse me being dim but why will it be released in 2022 not 2021 ???
That is 100 years from the end of the year the census was taken.
The census was taken on the night of Sun/Mon. June 19th/20th 1921 (Delayed due to a miners dispute).
Cheers
Guy
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But are they going to include it in the sub from the start, or ask people to pay out again as they did for the 1911 census and - for a short time - the 1939 Register?
The criteria are set out below, it is a 10 year contract and I would assume that a period of that 10 years would be an exclusive period, but that is just an assumption
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ngh/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ngj/
http://bidstats.uk/tenders/2018/W02/670957751
Cheers
Guy
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Cannot wait. They wont be under any pressure to release 1931 as it does not survive, and no census was taken in 1941.
Shows how many censuses were released after less than 100 years so no promise whatsoever was made that the censuses would be closed for 100 years.
BIB That point has been raised many times before and so I am not going to rehearse the arguments again, save to say that all Censuses from 1921 onwards do fall under the legislation prohibiting publication before 100 years.
I know there are some, and one person in particular, who will dispute this. That is their right but they are not going to see a 1921 or later census earlier than 100 years after it was taken. (1939 Register was not a census and so is irrelevant to the discussion).
Can you show me one piece of legislation other than the 1966 Statutory Instrument number 12 that brought the 100 year rule it being (and was itself repealed by the Freedom of Information Act 2000) that prohibits the release of information from the census for 100 years.
The Census Act 1920 prohibits release forever as does the Census Confidentiality Act 1991.
The Census Act 1920 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ngf/
The Census Confidentiality Act 1991 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ngg/
The first Census to carry the claim it would be confidential for 100 years was the 1981 census and the Registrar General later was forced to apologise to Parliament for exceeding his authority in making such a claim on the census schedule.
The nearest thing is the Data Protection Act 1997 as amended by the General Data Protection Regulation 2018 (GDPR).
You know there is no legislation to back up your claim otherwise you would make that legislation public.
You may be interested to read the Commons debate on the release of the 1911 census
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n2h/
Cheers
Guy
Bless you Guy I knew it was only a matter of time before you appeared and that is why I included the following in my earlier reply that you have indeed quoted.
I know there are some, and one person in particular, who will dispute this. That is their right but they are not going to see a 1921 or later census earlier than 100 years after it was taken.
That was specifically intended for you. You don't have to agree with it and indeed we have "debated" things before. I respect your right to your opinion. I am holding onto my opinion and it is mine that will win out. You don't agree that's fine I take no umbrage at that.
Good wishes
David
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Bless you Guy I knew it was only a matter of time before you appeared and that is why I included the following in my earlier reply that you have indeed quoted.
I know there are some, and one person in particular, who will dispute this. That is their right but they are not going to see a 1921 or later census earlier than 100 years after it was taken.
That was specifically intended for you. You don't have to agree with it and indeed we have "debated" things before. I respect your right to your opinion. I am holding onto my opinion and it is mine that will win out. You don't agree that's fine I take no umbrage at that.
Good wishes
David
David, I knew it was aimed at me, the point is everything I have stated has been proved to be correct.
Back in 2010 I stated that the law (1920 Census Act as amended by the Census Confidentiality Act 1991 required amendment until any census taken after 1920 could be released.
I also claimed that if the public wished the 1921 census could be released immediately if the Board used their authority and had the legislation changed to allow the release.
That has also been done.
You claim that no census can be released earlier than 100 years, that is not correct there is no legislation that requires a wait of 100 years, if there was you would have given a source for it.
The reason MP decided on a 100 year period was due to the Registrar General lying to them when they were debating the position.
If MPs had any honour they would have a new debate on the subject based on the true facts but as has been show by expenses claims and recently by the Brexit fiasco the current crop of MPs have little or no honour.
I base my assumptions on the law of the land, that is why the 1911 census and the 1939 National Registration were released early, because I fought against those who refused to obey the law.
Anyone can crow that they are right because nobody has taken the time and effort to fight against injustice, but that is a very hollow victory.
Cheers
Guy
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At this stage it will be exclusively on FindMyPast.
I am sure that it will be available at The National Archives for visitors to peruse free of charge.
This was the case with the 1911 Census once it was released.
Members of our local history society went and took copies of all the 1911 returns for our locality, and made their own transcriptions. The results were then made available to anyone who was interested.
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I am 100% with Guy on this. He has done endless research into laws regarding censuses and other genealogy. Prior to 1981 no one was ever told the census records would be confidential for 100 years.
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@Guy re #21
I don't care for your insinuation of crowing, that was uncalled for.
The point is quite simple I am stating things as they are defacto, you are looking at things from your perception of the dejure point. Not everyone (leaving me out of the equation) agrees with your dejure assumptions.
I know you did a lot of work in enabling the 1911 to be released early (as mentioned above the 1939 is irrelevant to this discussion IMO as it was not a census) and I am sure I have thanked you for your efforts on that before but if not I do so quite happily now. That said I do not agree with you re the 1921 and other censuses going forward and at the risk of being accused of crowing again it is my viewpoint that will carry the day not yours. Not everything that happens does so because it is right.
I am going to sign off now as I do not want to continuously repeat myself but thanks for you contribution.
David