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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: lisingreece on Monday 25 February 19 17:51 GMT (UK)
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I am searching info on above and all I have on her is her marriage to Thomas Henry Pace in 1919 St Luke West Norwood. In it a Samuel Brooks is her father and is a coachman. She dies in 1961 and seems was born in 1891.
Samuel Brooks another Sam Brooks maybe or the same one marries in 1889 Emma Mary Barker and they have 3 children 2 boys and a girl, the little girl Emma Violet dies. This is recorded in the 1911, 3 children 2 alive 1 dead. So please can someone help me figure where Anna Jane fits in this family if at all. I also have found an Emma Brooks in the workhouse for 3 weeks in 1909. I cannot find a birth for Anne Jane brooks with a Samuel as a father in the London area.
Quite complicated. I'd be grateful for help
thank you
Lis
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Hi
Have you checked this one out? Father is Samuel and is a Gardener and Coachman.
Just because Anne married in London it doesn't necessarily mean she was born there. :)
1891
First Name Annie J
Last Name Brooks
Birth Year 1886
Age 5
Birth County Leicestershire
Birth Town
Birth Place England
Relationship To Head of Household Daughter
Gender Female
Occupation
Condition
Archive Reference RG12
Folio 178
Page 19
Piece Number 2726
Regards
Giggsy
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There is this Samuel a coachman Family in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW4Z-RZ4
It appears, although I’ve only looked at one child, that Alice was née CURTIS.
However the marriage in Frome might be to Alice Mary PAYNE.
If so Ann Jane might be a PAYNE. (Or a CURTIS)
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Thank you Mckha489, I'll check into that.
cheers
Lis
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Thank you too Giggsy, this looks good, I'll check it out.
I presumed that both Samuel Brooks's were the same man.
Here's hoping it's finally sorted
thanks
Lis
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We have everything crossed Lis!
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hahaha thank you, that's lovely!!!
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Cannot find the birth record yet but this might help?
Anne Jane Brooks about 1891 17 Dec 1919 St Luke, West Norwood Samuel,Thomas Henry
1939 – 27 St Louis Rd. Lambeth
Thomas H Pace 1/1/1884 – Bus Driver (I guess Thomas had been married before)
Anne J Pace 14/4/1892
Arthur J Pace 13/12/13 - Carpenter & Joiner
Anne R 2/11/15 – Shorthand Typist
David J 9/4/17 – Printers Assistant
Sidney S 19/8/20 – Instrument Maker (London Public Transport as his father)
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yes ColC, that's exactly where I am at, I cannot find her birth either.
Sid Pace was her only son and is with us no longer.
I am struggling with Anne Jane Brooks born in Derbyshire, Leicestershire, Lancs. The trouble is so far none of these match with her stated birth date on her death cert. The Leicester A J Brooks matches beautifully with a father Samuel as a coachman.
Oh dear, I keep at it and am grateful for your help
Thanks
Lis
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Who registered her death Lis? If it was someone who didn't know her very well they may have made it up!
Giggsy
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Giggsy I don't have her death cert the index says abt 1892 so that could have been wrong.
But now I have found a Jane brooks d/Samuel from Kent so am following this through.
This is not my family so won't be buying a death cert. My tree looks such a mess now a lot of sorting is needed!!!
thank you
Lis
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Lis I have not managed to find an Anne Jane anywhere but I just wonder if this might be worth considering?
Jane Brooks Fulham Q2/1892 - 1a/ 259
By the way are you sure about the death in 1961?
Colin
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Colin, I am now following up the Jane, not Anne Jane Brook d/Samuel Brook a gardener.
I am happy with the death date, as the family are still in touch with me so they know the date.
Just beginning to find this family on the census.
Still lots to do
Thanks
Lis
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I have now found her as Annie J Pace in the '39 and her dob is 14/4/1892, which Colin seems to tie up with the Fulham record you found.
Lis
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But...
Death, Dec 1894 Fulham 1a 170
Brooks, Jane
age 2
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oh how sad,
thank you
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This might help. Another marriage at St Luke West Norwood!
22 Dec 1925
Robert Savage, 25, Bachelor, Cellarman
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Mary Alice Brooks, 23, Spinster, father Samuel Brooks (deceased), Coachman
Residence for both 27 St Louis Road (as per 1919 marriage)
Witnessed by Thomas Henry Pace, Margaret Anne Jane Pace
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Pace at 27 St Louis Road, Norwood in the electoral registers
Autumn 1919, Thomas Henry Pace
Spring 1920, Autumn 1920, Thomas Henry Pace
Ladies should be age 30+ to be on the register, Anne Jane was 28 on the 1919 marriage
1921 Annie Mary Pace, Thomas Henry Pace
Is 1922 available?
1923 Annie Jane Pace, Thomas Henry Pace
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This could be her, born in Ireland, registered in Tralee
Born 4.30 pm, 14 April 1891
Anne Jane
father Samuel Brooks
mother Margaret Jane Brooks, formerly McCracken
father a Servant
She was a twin, sister Margaret (first entry) was born at 4 pm.
Place of birth for them looks like Skrilough?
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02384/1889552.pdf
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That place on the map may be Skirlough, seem to be a few different spellings!
Here is the family in 1901, Annie Brooks, 9, and her father Samuel Brooks is a Groom
Transcript
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kerry/Ardfert/Skrillagh/1425311/
which links to image of household return
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000885127/
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1911
Household return (faint image!)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002534829/
Samuel Brooks is 50 and a Coachman. Youngest child is Alice, 9.
Annie not at home. She will be around somewhere.
Note that the religion of the family is Church of Ireland.
John
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To round it off, possible marriage of parents
26 September 1888
Samuel Brooks
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Margaret McCrackin
Only entry, is right down at the bottom of page
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10777/5930226.pdf
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In that 1911 census, Alice Brooks was 9, as was Lizzie. Pity it is so faint.
Registration of Alice, born 21 January 1902. No. 398 in register
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01917/1743131.pdf
Expecting a twin sister, Elizabeth, to be number 397, instead we get Margaret!
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01917/1743130.pdf
Louisa born 18 January 1897
Nice and clear here, born Skirlaugh
Father Samuel a Coachman
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02123/1807217.pdf
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Oh jonw65, this is sheer magic. Thank you so much for all your research.
I am so grateful, will have fun checking all this out.
Thank you again
Lis