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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: plan321 on Monday 25 February 19 03:30 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find info on a Sarah Ellen Kaupawich who was born 12 April 1894 according to her death registration and married Walter J Smith in Coventry sometime in 1925. Sarah was the 2nd wife of my great grandfather Walter. Family legend has it that she was his first wife's sister. The first wife was Castancia Abromovitch. She was also known as Constance and her surname has many spelling variations which makes it hard! Castancia/ Constance was born circa 1893 in West Ham, she married Walter, who was from Coventry in 1917 and her death was registered in West Ham in 1925. She left behind 3 young children - the eldest's birth was registered in West Ham in 1917 and the other 2 were registered in Coventry 1921 and 1922. I have found absolutely nothing that would suggest Sarah and Castancia/Constance were sisters. I have found Castancia /Constance on the census records and there was no Sarah.
I cannot find anything on Sarah or much on any Kaupawich person that would fit. I've seen a couple of marriages for what might be sisters of Sarah but have been unable to find anything on any census records or even birth or death records. Hopefully someone might be able to help move me forward
Thank you
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The 1925 marriage cert would hopefully give you details of her father
Marriages Mar Qtr 1925 Coventry 6d 867
Sarah P Kaupswich - Walter J Smith
Kay
Added - Have you looked for the family in the 1939 Register - I think Sarah is listed as born 1900 also living with a Frances Johnson/Kaulpawich born 1907
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This is a possible for the marriage of the parents of first wife Constance
Marriages Dec 1892
ABRAMOWIEZ John
OR
Abramowitz John
Zukanckutie Amieleia
W. Ham
4a/381
There is a census entry in 1901 under a likely wrong spelling
Constance ABRAMONST
Aged 7 (abt 1894)
Daughter of John ABRAMONST and Amelia ABRAMONST
Born Woolwich, London, England
Living in East Ham
She has a brother named John aged 3.
Others are in the household
Frank Gorsley. 36 years
George Wismadbury 23 years
Mary Sandvanton 20 years
Mary Eremminson years
Sue
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There is a Sarah Kulposkavis registered West Ham June Quarter vol. 4a page 178 mothers maiden name Sakalowski
This would fit with 1939 register.
This is the closest I could find allowing for transcription mishaps etc.
Constance seems t have been transcribed as Paston Abramarvitch 1893 West Ham mothers maiden name Jacoskirty
he brother John Abramovich registered West Ham 1897 mmn Orachoski.
I believe the mother to be the same person the clerk writing down the surname as he heard it.
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There is a Sarah Kulposkavis registered West Ham June Quarter vol. 4a page 178 mothers maiden name Sakalowski
This would fit with 1939 register.
This is the closest I could find allowing for transcription mishaps etc. .
I think you cracked it! This is the family using the 1911 freesearch https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWFS-HQV - including sister Frances who was living with Sarah in 1939
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Look like they had a sister Lydia registered 1902 West Ham as Kalpokas mothers maiden name Sikolosky
Her death registered West Ham 1918 as Lydia Kaupawich
So many ways to spell the same name
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The daughter Magdalen filled in the 1911 census so the parents may not have been illiterate
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Or didn't write in English, they came from Poland/Russia
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Or didn't write in English, they came from Poland/Russia
Very true
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Found Frances born 1907.
Registered as Francesca Kopelcawitz with mothers maiden name Sakilosky
West Ham J Quarter vol.4a page 175
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Freebmd has Constance as Castancia Abramarvitch at West Ham dec. quarter 4a 224 its the new GRO index that has Pastan I've sent them an update
There is also Joseph Abramowez 1896 mother Ozochoski, must have died
ADDED Joseph died as Joseph Abramourcy June 1899 age 3
Joseph Abramowiez 1901 mother Orezechoska
George and Nelly 1907 Abramvorvitch mother Ozackoska
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Freebmd and new GRO index
Kalpacouvitch, Veronica mother Sakareski 1904 West Ham
Kalpokevich, William mother Saklouch 1910 West Ham
Kalpakvich, Amelia mother Sakalofiski 1914 West Ham.
His 2 wives were not sisters and neither were their mothers perhaps it goes back one more generation
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Thank you to every one for their time and work. I'm not sure that the one on the 1939 register is the correct one as she was married by then and had taken the Smith surname, she also had moved to Coventry after her marriage. It is very difficult to research the polish and Russian surnames as they have so many spelling variations!
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1939 England was at war where was Walter?
Is it impossible to think his wife had gone to stay with family.
You stated the death of his first wife is recorded in West Ham that is in Essex not Coventry.
How do you know it was a happy union?
Coventry was bombed into oblivion November 1940.
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1939 England was at war where was Walter?
Is it impossible to think his wife had gone to stay with family.
You stated the death of his first wife is recorded in West Ham that is in Essex not Coventry.
How do you know it was a happy union?
Coventry was bombed into oblivion November 1940.
Walter was 46 so over the age of compulsory enlistment which was 41 so was still at home. I did state that his wife's death was recorded in West Ham and am aware it is not Coventry but she was born there and as she was fairly young when she died, with small children I did think maybe she had gone back to her family while ill. Obviously I have no idea what their marriage was like and can only speculate on things that I don't have any facts or evidence for which would be the case for most people doing family tree research.