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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Claddagh on Thursday 21 February 19 15:43 GMT (UK)
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Hello everyone,
I'm having a challenging time reading the names of the sponsors for Robert Johnson.
Robert Johnson son of James Johnson and Esther Lenhan
Sponsors: John or Thomas Doyter or Doyle (Is the surname a B, D or ?) and Bridget Lehnan or Johnson
Thanks for having a look!
;)
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After much fiddling in photoshop, I see "Robert of James & Esther Johnson John Boyles & Bridget ??hnan.
The B in Boyles could be a D, but in the line below there is a capital D that suggests otherwise. The "for sure" D starts with a big loop going left to right concave curve at the top left of the letter, whereas the B in Boyle starts with a small convex curve going upwards ( if that makes sense to you!).
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Hi any chance of a reference to where this can be located. Sometimes it is easier to see it from the original scan/copy.
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Thank you very much bbart! I wasn't convinced that it was a "D" and was trying to compare other "B" letters. Boyles makes sense.
Esther Lenhan's sister was named Bridget Lenhan. I wonder if Lenhan was actually "Lennon".
Esther Lenhan's grandson James named his son Gregory Lennon. I'm convinced that Lenhan is actually Lennon or even Lennan. That surnames changes often in the various "Birth" and "Marriage" documents that I've found.
I appreciate your help.
;)
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Thanks for your help shanreagh!
I found this information in the "NLI", page 92, April 1833 to July 1833. Robert was born in Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
It seems that the information I seed is always challenging to read. ;)
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NLI page 92 Co Wicklow ... but what is the name of the Parish please?
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I wonder if Lenhan was actually "Lennon".
I was thinking along the lines of "Lenehan", but in this case, there doesn't seem to be enough room for the extra e. The ink has faded so badly, the first part of the name is pretty much gone.
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I think it is John Boyle and Bridgett? ?enhnan. Just cannot get the first letter back of Bridgett's surname, not got photoshop on this computer. What I am seeing at a double 'tt' in Bridget may be the stick stroke of the first letter of her surname but that would make it a bit longer than Lenhnan.
If you have a Bridget of an age and in the locality then I would be tempted to put her in meantime as the sponsors were usually often family or family connections.
OP in a page of 'relatively' readable entries you are right in saying yours is a difficult one, because of the fading. :)
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rootsireland transcribe it as John Doyle and Bridget Lenhan.
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conahy calling - Thank you for your interest! The parish is Dunlavin.
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bbart - When researching the "nli" for Dunlavin, Co. Wicklow I found that the surname Lenhan in time and at times became Lennan. Lenehan and Lenihan seem probable variants of Lenhan. I had never heard of the surname "Lenhan" until I began my research. I thought that the priests had shortened it from Lenehan.
Since Robert's son James named his son Gregory Lennon, I thought that it might have been in honour of grandmother Esther's surname Lenhan.
Too many questions and not enough answers. ???
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Thank you shanreagh!
I always try to compare names that are on the same page as the entry I'm researching. It is interesting to see first letter styles change from one entry to another especially when it appears that it is the same person writing the entries.
At this point, I'm just happy that I found Robert's birth information.
I found his parents' marriage information. Would their marriage certificate contain their parents' names? The witness beside Esther's name is her brother Murtagh Lenhan. I found birth information for his children. It appears that Patrick Lennan and Mary Margaret Byrne might be Esther's parents but I don't have any proof as of yet. Siblings might include "Murtagh", "Bridget", "Edward" and "John".
I cannot find a birth certificate for James Johnson (parents unknown but the names James and Robert alternate with every generation and his father could be Robert or James) and Esther Lenhan. Is there any place that I can search for free in order to be able to order a birth certificate? They would probably be born between 1800-1811 or so. Do the Irish records go that far?
Any help or push in the right direction is much appreciated.
:)
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dublin1850 - Can anyone search "rootsireland" or do you need a paid membership?
I would like to do some searching but I don't want to pay and not be able to find any useful information.
I've encountered so many dead ends lately. Some good news would be wonderful.
Thanks for having a look; I appreciate it!
:)
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It's a subscription only website; as far as I know you have to register even to search & get index entries. It is possible to take out short term subscriptions, like 24 hours or a month.
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Thank you josey! I'll look into it. :)
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https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633390#page/92/mode/1upregister
Link to the page Dunlavin RC
Record being queried is line before 21st April
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Thank you conahy calling! That is the troublesome birth entry that has been a challenge to read.
Thankfully is till exists but it would be wonderful to be able to make out all the information.
I'm a patient person and enjoy a challenge.
;)
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Is there any place that I can search for free in order to be able to order a birth certificate? They would probably be born between 1800-1811 or so. Do the Irish records go that far?
Any help or push in the right direction is much appreciated.
:)
Birth Certs only started 1864
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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Thank you "hallmark"! Hopefully someone else is researching this family and might have a family bible. ;)