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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: LornaHen on Thursday 21 February 19 14:27 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone find either of these two, apparently separate, but possibly one and the same persons, in 1891?
Both have appeared in records as either AUSTIN or AUSTEN.
William Edward AUSTIN supposedly born 8 Nov 1869 Bow (1939 Register and census data), who marries Alice Maud CARTER in 1894 at Hagerston All Saints, saying he was a clerk, resident 70 Middleton Rd, son of engineer William AUSTIN.
A 12 yr old Wm AUSTEN was admitted to Cranbrook Rd school Tower Hamlets on 20 Jun 1882, the admission record showing him as born 8 Nov 1869, parent/guardian Wm AUSTEN Address 17 Grove Rd.
This being my only sighting prior to the 1894 marriage above.
William appears to have died in Sheffield in 1955.
See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Austin-9876
William Edward Sinclair Fitz. AUSTEN birth registered 1869 Qtr 4, mother maiden surname BLAKE (GRO index - birth cert. on order)
Last sighting I have being 1881 census as an 11 year old living with parents William (railway servant goods department) and Sarah AUSTIN at 10 Selmen St, Mile End Old Town
See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Austen-1149
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William Edward Sinclair Fitz. AUSTEN birth registered 1896 Qtr 4, mother maiden surname BLAKE (GRO index - birth cert. on order)
Last sighting I have being 1881 census as an 11 year old living with parents William (railway servant goods department) and Sarah AUSTIN at 10 Selmen St, Mile End Old Town
See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Austen-1149
I presume you mean 1869 rather than 1896 for this chap.
He had a twin sister, Ada Hannah Louisa Austen, mmn Blake, Dec qtr 1869 MEOT 1c 604.
As Ada Austin, 21, she was with parents William and Sarah in Donington Rd, Hackney in 1891: RG12/201/84/79. Her brother William was not there.
Possible death: Ada Austin aged 24, Mar qtr 1895 Hackney?
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thanks avm228
apologies for 1896/1869 typo - now corrected.
Yes WEFS Austin had a twin sister Ada.
In 1891 her place of birth is given as Bow, which sounds great - not that Mile End Old Town and Bow are far apart!
Their father William is also on WikiTree
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Austin-9878
She, and the 1891 census for William/Sarah/Ada, are shown there.
I'm gradually trying to pool my data from assorted sites (Ancestry / FamilySearch / FindMyPast) onto WikiTree, takes time :)
But there are so many gaps.
William and Sarah's marriage
Sightings of them prior to 1871....
I've not yet convinced myself where/when either of them died, and am also working on finding William's birth.
But the 1891 census(es) for the potentially identical Williams born 1869 would be a fairly good indication if there are one, or two, families here.
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Regardless of whether or not an 1891 census for WEFS AUSTIN is definitively found I can now add that I've convinced myself that the two William Edwards are one and the same person.
The birth cert fo William Edward Sinclair Fitz AUSTEN shows he was born 8 Nov 1869 at 16 Regent St South, 3pm to William Mallars Fitz AUSTEN, porter, and Sarah Jane BIGGS formerly BLAKE. Informant mother S J AUSTEN, same address, registered 20th Dec
Whose marriage I'm now on a search for.
I can find her first marriage to Thomas Eden BIGGS
WikiTree has been updated to just the one person with notes on why:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Austen-1149
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10th Dec 1849 St Geo the Martyr Southwark
Thomas Eden Briggs 23 Bootmaker Pitt Street father Joseph- Servant
Sarah Jane Blake 22 same address father Edward Blake - Engraver
witnesses - Henry Jarvis and Clara Luck
Jennifer
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1841 census Broad Street St Giles Finsbury
Edward Blake 35engraver NBC
Sarah 30 BIC
Sarah 14 NBC
Edward 12 NBC
Nathaniel 8 NBC
Victor 6 NBC
Sabina 1 NBC
Jennifer
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1861 census 26 Chatham Street Lambeth
Thomas Biggs 34 Bootmaker Chelsea
Sarah 33 Milliner Chelsea
Sarah 11 Lambeth
Thomas 9 Lambeth
Jennifer
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Another daughter-
St George the Martyr Southwark 15 November 1863
Lilian Sabina Annie Alexander Biggs parents Thomas Eden And Sarah Jane Biggs
address 1 Salisbury Park Walworth - Bootmaker
Jennifer
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Thanks Jennifer.
I've been updating the FamilySearch tree with my findings including Sarah's earlier family.
My interest is in Sarah's second "husband", William Mallams Fitz Austen or Austin
I'm working on a theory re William that DNA testing has led me to, but it is early days yet (ie I've not ruled in or out that the DNA match with a descendant of their son William Edward actually comes from that line of her ancestry).
Looking good, but so far inconclusive.
While working on narrowing down the DNA match to a line of her ancestry I continue to plug away at William in the records.
Firstly I needed to convince myself her William Edward was the 1869 William Edward Sinclair Fitz AUSTEN son of William Mallams Fitz AUSTEN and Sarah BIGGS formerly BLAKE.
That bit I've done.
Current mysteries:
1)William's (marr. to Sarah) life before the 1869 birth of William Edward Sinclair Fitz AUSTEN and his twin sister.
2)"Marriage" to Sarah BIGGS previously BLAKE.
3)Exactly how William is related to the "Aunt Hannah MALLARS" with them in the 1871 census.
4)Is Julia born 1864 and shown as a daughter in the 1871 census a clue? This is some years before William Edward and Ada and the year Sarah's husband Thomas Eden Biggs died?
1) he MIGHT be the chap in the LNWR railway records 1862 - "services not required after 34 yrs and 6 mths of service 3 Aug 1896 aged 67 & 7/12.
2) not yet found!
3) There is a MALLARS family around Lambeth at the right time but as yet I've not made any connection in the records to them for William.
I do so love a mystery, or three....
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For information here is another thread mentioning William - you have posted there too so there might be a repetition of information
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=602971.9
Not sure if you have this re Ada
1881 175/82/55
Ada H S Fitzausten 11 yrs b Stepney Bow, Middlesex
She is a visitor in the household of John and Sarah Thompson in Hampstead.
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thanks heywood, no I'd not found (nor I admit looked for) Ada in 1881.
Yes I just found the other thread today.
Hope the chap who posted originally responds even though he'd not been active beyond that thread back in 2012.
I am becoming increasingly interested in this family.
The DNA matches with the descendant of William Edward marr. CARTER are gradually getting narrowed down towards this line of her ancestry, although we aren't quite fully there yet.
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Regarding the Thompson in 1881 (Have corrected my first post re census year)
Sarah Thompson would seem to be Sarah Biggs, the child
1861 census 26 Chatham Street Lambeth
Thomas Biggs 34 Bootmaker Chelsea
Sarah 33 Milliner Chelsea
Sarah 11 Lambeth
Thomas 9 Lambeth
Jennifer
Marriage September 1873 Mile End
John Thompson and Sarah Elizabeth Biggs
Their child John Thomas Eden Thomson b 1876
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If I have read and understood the posts correctly:
Sarah Biggs Thompson would be half sister to Ada and William. Is that right?
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Marriage September 1869 Whitechapel
William Austen and Sarah Biggs
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From the other thread
Further with regards William - In 1871 Census lived at 16 Regent Street South, Mile End Old Town, London, Middlesex and worked as a Railway Porter. In 1881 Census lived at 10 Salmen Street, Mile End Old Town, London and worked as a Railway Servant Gouods Dept. In 1891 Census lived at 43 Durrington Road, Hackney, Lambeth, London and worked as a Porter. In Oct 1894 worked as an Engineer. (Possibly in 1901 Census lived at Sidney Road, Homerton NE, London and listed as a Pauper (Married & Retired Railway Porter) as William Austin aged 71)?
Registered as Married in Whitechapel, Middlesex District in July/Aug/Sep 1869 (Vol.1c Page 778). He (and Sarah Jane Blake/Biggs married on 17 Aug 1869. I have a copy of their marriage certificate with Wiliams father mentioned as Robert Austen (but could have been entered as Austin as sloppy writing) as Solicitor deceased.
Sorry, not much at all to go on.
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If I have read and understood the posts correctly:
Sarah Biggs Thompson would be half sister to Ada and William. Is that right?
Yes, I believe so.
I thought when I looked at that 1881 that it sounded a bit familiar (that John THOMPSON was born Scotland caught my eye last time I looked at it - and completely missed the connection to Ada despite Fitz Austen being on my radar), but I was in the middle of creating a blog post about all of this given I am increasingly convinced of the dots being joined here.
So hadn't gone to check that out further
https://lornahen.blogspot.com/2019/03/i-do-so-love-mystery-or-three.html
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I just posted this on other thread
Baptism does not show a birthdate
January 11th 1835 St Mary, Lambeth
William Mallars, son of Daniel and Caroline Fitzaustin address New Cut
Father’s occupation Labourer
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This is also on other thread
Baptism 16th July 1809 Lambeth
Caroline Mallar - parents George and Mary
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My quest is looking even more likely in that I'm much closer to convincing myself that William Edward AUSTEN's father William Mallars Fitz AUSTEN / Fitsaustin is one and the same as my William AUSTIN/AUSTEN married 1853 St Martin in the Fields to Emma Clinton PARKER.
The updates:
The marriage cert. in the Register Office, Whitechapel (7 Aug 1869, not 17th as per excerpt published on this or the other related thread being continued here) of William AUSTEN (as signed) AUSTIN (as indexed) to Sarah BIGGS nee BLAKE shows both as widowed, William as 40.
Widower not being entirely accurate, although wife number one had remarried, as a spinster, in 1855.
William's death cert. (27 Oct 1905 Hackney Union Infirmary, Homerton) shows: cert. William AUSTIN as 74, railway goods porter "of 62 Crozier Tce, Homerton". Died of senile decay, chronic bronchitis; Informant J W Oliver, Assistant Superintendent, Hackney Union Infirmary, Homerton; Reg, 3 Nov 1905
Another DNA match has popped up between my lot, and a descendant of another line down from William Edward AUSTEN and Alice Maud CARTER, which pinpoints this couple as "of interest" in the original tree. We have not yet ruled out the Carter ancestry so might be guilty of confirmation bias here!