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I’m trying to find out when & where George Johnston married Euphemia Young Taylor; she was born 14th December 1868 in Leith. Euphemia was the daughter of Thomas Taylor and Elizabeth Tosh Watson. The only thing I know is the year George & Euphemia married - 1894.
I’m also trying to find out a bit more about George & Euphemia’s children.
Thomas died and Elizabeth married again to a James Ross.
The 1901 census has James Ross and Elizabeth living at Bonnington Road, Leith with, amongst others, Euphemia and two granddaughters, Isabella Johnston, born 1894 in Leith, and Elizabeth Johnston, born May 1900. Euphemia was listed as Euphemia Taylor Ross, not Johnston. Elizabeth Johnstone was born in Kilmarnock, which seems strange as the family was based in Leith.
George is not listed as living there so where was he? The marriage seemed OK as the Johnston family emigrated to Philadelphia in 1905, minus Elizabeth – what had happened to her?
I’m a bit stuck; can’t find much on Ancestry (before they went to US – once in US there's plenty of information) or Find My Past or Scotland’s People so I was wondering if anyone can add to the above? Full dates & places would be great, pointers to certs even better!
Regards
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How do you know they were married in 1894 if no marriage record is showing up? Is this on the USA records?
Also, where did the middle name Young come from? The Euphemia born in 1868 to Thomas and Elizabeth doesn't appear to have been registered with any middle name and she's just Euphemia Johnston on the passenger list too.
Have you found them on the US census?
By the way did you see on the passenger list that it states that Euphemia and Isabella had both been in Philadelphia before? I think it says 1892-1899 for Euphemia and 1895-1899 for Isabella. Not sure what the significance of that is. ???
Bev
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Living in Philadelphia in 1910
John Scott 39
Euphemia Young Scott 40
Isabella Jane Johnston 16 step-daughter Father's Birthplace England
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Euphemia, married (2(nd)) 2 years, 2 children 1 died - refers to first marriage, surely?
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Hi Bev,
1) Marriage year - bit remiss here; taken an unsourced Ancestry tree as gospel. Which means I'm not sure when they were married. I couldn't find a candidate
2) Euphemia's full name is 'Euphemia Fame Young Taylor'. Again from Ancestry, so don't know where the 'Fame' bit came from. 'Young' is from her grandmother - Euphemia Young. Find a Grave (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/113935618/euphemia-young-scott) gives Young as well, although 'Young' not on headstone. Also Young used in US censuses.
3) Didn't notice the repeat trips to US. Which passenger list were you looking at? If Euphemia was in US between 1892-1899 then it means Isabella was born in US; that's a new line of research. It might explain why George wasn't in 1901 Scotland census - he was back in US? Did Euphemia come back to give birth to Elizabeth?
I wonder if I'm mixing up families ???
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Hi Chempat,
George died in September 1906 - he lost an argument with a train and got cut to pieces. Euphemia married John Scott on 21st December 1907.
Strange Isabella's father given as English as he is given as born in Edinburgh in 1905 passenger list.
Have you got the census record to attach (even as a private mail)?
Regards
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Assumed this birth:
JOHNSON ISABELLA
1894 692/1 623 Leith North
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1892 in America for Euphemia?
Euphemia Taylor
Arrival Date: 26 Nov 1892
Birth Date: abt 1869 Age: 23
Nationality: Scottish
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
out to sister, intended staying in Philadelphia
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The original of the 1905 passenger list can be viewed on FamilySearch.
Ir also states that their tickets were paid for by her brother Robert, whose address was their destination.
Bev
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Hi [Chempat],
I've found a passenger list for Euphemia Taylor arriving in NY on 26th Nov 1982. I can't make out the age given; its '20 something'. The transcriber has used 20 and so got birth year as 1872; there is no birth year column on the actual passenger list.
You've said her birth date was 'abt 1869' [it's actually 14th Dec 1868] and 'age 23'. Where did you get this?
I'm looking at "Passenger lists 21 Nov 1892-13 Dec 1892 (NARA Series M237, Roll 600)" on FamilySearch.org.
The travelling out to her sister makes sense; Elizabeth went to Philadelphia in 1889.
Regards
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Hi Bev,
Thanks for pointing out the bit about Euphemia and Bella having been to US before, but it really screws things up! If Euphemia was out there in 1892 to 1899 (and had travelled out as a Taylor, if previous reply is correct) then
1) when/where did she marry George Johnston?
2) how could Bella have been born in Leith in 1894?
If Bella was out in US from 1895 to 1899 then did Euphemia travel back in 1894, marry, give birth and return in 1895? And without George who stated he hadn't been to US before 1905! Did Euphemia omit a return trip from the passenger list?
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The information was from New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957 on Ancestry.
The age looks like 23 on the original.
She arrives in 1892, so born about 1869
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Hi Chempat
Re: Euphemia Taylor to US in 1892, Find My Past gives birth date about 1869. I don't have access to FindMyPast so can't see the full record.
Regards
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From Ancestry
Eaphemia Taylor (30) and Bella (5) travel from USA in 1899. She claims to be married, and she and daughter (Bella Taylor) are both Scotch.
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: Jan 1899 Port of Arrival:Glasgow, Scotland Ship Name:Furnessia
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I was not sure how to interpret those dates.
Does '1892-1899' mean a stay of seven years (obviously not since the daughter was born in Scotland), or that she travelled once in 1892 and again in 1899? If she had a sister and a brother living in Philadelphia, perhaps she went on more than one visit.
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Hi Bev,
Euphemia seemed to be a bit of a commuter! Key appears to be finding out when & where she married George Johnston; which is where I started!
Regards
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OK this is very strange but too much of a coincidence to ignore.
Marriage in Newington in 1891
George FAIRBAIRN to Euphemia ROSS YOUNG. ??? ???
Bev
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Which Newington please, i.e. which country?
OK, Scotland.
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Sorry, yes, Newington, Midlothian.
I wonder if George went to prison or was bankrupted and changed his name.
Bev
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1901 census in Edinburgh
George Fairbairn 31
Euphemia Fairbairn 31
Euphemia R Fairbairn 9
William J Bellany 24
William D Young 22
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Gah there must be two families with some connection.
Euphemia Taylor Ross and Euphemia Ross Young? ??? ???