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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: maxcam on Wednesday 20 February 19 18:46 GMT (UK)
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A family member has informed me of the possibility that both of the above, half sister and half brother may have emigrated to Jamaica between 1901 and 1911. This was relayed to her by a deceased family member who mentioned, in later life, that he could possibly have relations in Kingston, Jamaica. As I have been concentrating on Canada/Australia records this has come as a major surprise.Any pointers out there as to the best starting point with this search? Do I start with America? Then track onwards. Would not be surprised if Jane went into service and James on to some kind of land work. As usual any info greatly appreciated.
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Do you have years of birth for them and parent's names? Any personal information that will help in the search.
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Many thanks for your response, the information I have is as follows;
Jane Buchanan was born in 1889 in Cambusnethan and her parents were, Andrew Buchanan born 1847 in Fintry and Jane Buchanan( McCallum) born 1859 again in Cambusnethan. They married 29th November 1878.
Unfortunately Andrew died 20th January 1890 and Jane (McCallum) Buchanan remarried shortly thereafter.
Her second husband was James Brownlie, sometimes known as Docherty. Difficulty tracking him down as appears to be something of a mystery man. This second marriage produced a further four children the oldest of whom is my missing James Brownlie. He was born in 1892 in Cambusnethan. As both he and Jane Buchanan disappeared from view between 1901 and 1911 I think they may have moved on together given there is only an age gap of three years. As I said the possible Jamaica connection has totally thrown me, I was expecting Canada/Australia or USA, but this Jamaica, especial mention , over 30 years ago from an elderly, now deceased relative, of Kingston is a total surprise. The elderly relative did not tell me this but a cousin of mine who lives in another country, not Jamaica, but Canada. Once again many thanks for any advice
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I see that James Buchanan was baptised with the surname Docherty. I wonder if he also used this surname later on?
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
James Docherty
born 26 Jul 1891
At Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland
Father - James Docherty
Mother - Jane Mccallion Buchanan Docherty
FHL Film 255134
Not having much luck at the moment sorting them out from the chaff.
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Many thanks for your assistance. There seems to be so many names used here. Perhaps Jane also used the name Docherty/Brownlie, so complicated.
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Hi there I think you should maybe invest in a few credits on Scotlands People and you might solve the mystery
Information from a tree on Ancestry for James Brownlie he married Janet Rintoul 1915 Dalziel
A copy of the marriage certificate has his father as James Brownlie mother Jane McCallum
Death on Scotlands People James Docherty Brownlie 1953 Stirling age 62 might be worth getting a copy
Rosie
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Another tree has Jane Buchanan married to a George Cassells ( can't find a marriage to confirm this ) ...They have a death for Jane 1947 ... there is a death for a Jane Buchanan 1947 other surname Cassells age 58 in Dalziel also on Scotlands People might be worth checking out
Rosie
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Many thanks, off to Scotlands People, now. Will let you know how I get on.
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Found my missing Jane on Scotlands People.Parents all check out. I have her Death cert as 3rd August 1947 and it shows that just like her Mother, Jane was married twice. First husband was Thomas McClung, coalminer and husband number two, was George Cassells, Iron Dresser. The informant on death cert was her son, it looks like Stewart or Thomas McClung, although the handwriting is so indistinct.His address is given as Anstay, Leicester. The really strange thing is that Jane's address at time of death is the same street as my long gone Grandmother's, and Gran's next door neighbours name was Cassells. But don't know if any connection as this is two different sides of the family. Was Jane visiting my Gran for some reason? Did they know one another? My parents married two years after the death of Jane. The further I dig, the more complicated it becomes. Many thanks for pointing me in the correct direction. Tomorrow I will find James Brownlie/Docherty.
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Could this be him?
United Kingdom, World War I Service Records
Name James Brownlee
Event Type Military Service
Event Year 1910
Residence Place , Lanarkshire, Scotland
Age 18
Military Company/Regiment Highland Light Infantry
Military Regiment 7445
Birth Year (Estimated) 1892
Birthplace Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Is this the family on 1901 census
James Brownlie 42
Jane Brownlie 41
William Buchanan 16
George Buchanan 14
Jane Buchanan 12
James Brownlie 9
Annie Brownlie 5
Address Alexander St 26 Wilson's Rows
Buchanan children noted as step children
all born Cambusnethan
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Yes that is the family I am after, many thanks another route to follow. I have just had a lightbulb moment. My late grandmothers neighbours were also called Cassells and I am beginning to think that my missing Jane may have died in the home of her son by husband number two. i.e. George Cassells. Gran's neighbour may well have given place to his older half brother, ? McClung to register the death. Makes more sense than trying to link both sides of my family. As no street number given on Death Cert, I can only speculate, but not a very long street and Cassells not a very common name here, so I will be going back to Scotland's People to search for her children. Looks like I may be getting there. So proud if James Brownlie served his country especially with HLI. Will let you all know.
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Marriage for Jeanie Buchanan 1909 Dalziel to a Thomas McClung
Possible death for Thomas McClung 25 September 1915 France and Flanders
Enlistment Motherwell
Regiment Gordon Highlanders 10 Battalion
S/5562
Killed in action
UK Soldiers Army Effects mention his widow Jeanie
Found marriage for George Cassells to Jeanie B McClure 1920 Dalziel
Rosie
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This looks a possible for her son who registered the death
Thomas William McClung birth 1912 Dalziel
Death for a Thomas William McClung August 1985
Leicestershire Central
Birth date 6 December 1912
Rosie
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Many thanks for all the assistance with the two outstanding children, of nine, born to Jane McCallum Buchanan Brownlie, something of a heroine of mine. Jane, senior's, last child with Andrew Buchanan, also called Jane has been traced so now I am going to check out info on Jane, senior's,oldest son with James Brownlie, he was also called James.. When I have my big sheet of paper and freshly sharpened pencils I will hopefully have closed all the threads. It has only taken me about two years. The information I have may help someone else with their research. Many thanks RootsChat, I would never have solved it without your help. So much for the whisper of Jamaica! I will get back to you all when I have all dates etc. in place and publish the tree.
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Glad it is all falling into place for you ..it does take a bit of time and money getting the proper information ..
Look forward to seeing the final result
Rosie :)
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Working on it now, pieces of paper, pencils, staplers, certs all over the place. I am hoping that the final result will be worth it. Although as I review my research more questions arise. I have discovered the death cert for James Docherty Brownlie dated 9th September 1953 and place of death given as 9 Union Street,Stirlingshire but immediately underneath is 25 Arthur Street Edinburgh. This is confirmed by his widow as the home address. I am presuming he died of "Myocarditis" whilst at work as a coal porter. Although one major lesson I have learned during this process is " Never assume anything" reference Jamaica. Now back to work organising this chaos!
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place of death given as 9 Union Street,Stirlingshire but immediately underneath is 25 Arthur Street Edinburgh.
Can you make out 'UR' before the Edinburgh address? It was standard practice to record the actual place of death, then add 'UR' meaning 'Usual Residence' if that wasn't where the death occurred.
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Possible details on the address in Stirling:
ORCHARD HOUSE, STIRLING (demolished) Built as Stirling Combination Poorhouse, it opened in 1857. A separate hospital block was added to the rear and a small ward block for pauper lunatics. It followed the standard H‑shaped plan.....
...Fronting Union Street the entrance lodge contained....
I think you will find that the origins of the address were this. Over the years many workhouses were closed but their hospital facilities were modernised and remain.
Today Orchard House Day Hospital stands at 9 Union Street Stirling.
See https://historic-hospitals.com/gazetteer/stirlingshire-alloa-and-falkirk/
Also more details included here www.workhouses.org.uk/Stirling/
Monica :)
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Oh, dear, how sad. Another lesson for me, once again my theory so wrong. Thanks for the information.
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Once upon a time Jane McCallum born 11th March 1859 in Cambusnethan, her name on Birth Cert is written as Macallian, met a chap called Andrew Buchanan. Andrew was born 22nd December 1847 in Fintry.
How they met, I have no idea, and given my various past incorrect theories I am not even going to speculate.
Jane and Andrew married 29th November 1878 in Cambusnethan, Andrew is a Farm Labourer and Jane is a servant.
After the wedding the couple went to live at South Lodge, Culcreuch, Fintry. Sounds posh but I very much doubt it was. Census records show quite a few Buchanans living on the estate, all farm workers.
I visited the estate some time ago and whilst the Big House is now a hotel no were no signs of any other dwellings. I asked in the hotel if there were any old estate records and was told there had been but they had been stolen!!
Anyway on with the story. Andrew and Jane had five children together and the information is:
1) Andrew born 1879
2) John McCallum Buchanan born 13th September 1880
3) William McCallum Buchanan born 1885
4) George born 1887
5) Jane born 1889
The first four, all boys, were born in Fintry whilst their only daughter was born in Cambusnethan.
Very sadly Andrew Buchanan died 20th January 1890, home address was 11 Quarry Row, Cambusnethan and his occupation was Railway Surfaceman, so different from Farm Labourer. His death was notified by Thomas Docherty, brother in law. This name crops up again later on in the story
This left Jane, aged only 31, with five young children to raise.
These are the bare bones of Jane's story and next time I will fill in what happened to her five children as well as what Jane did next. Part two of the saga is what caused me such difficulty as well as pencils, bits of paper and patience.
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See https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=56.0570&lon=-4.2241&layers=5&b=1
I would hazard a guess that the South Lodge is the one marked 'Lodge' just after the bridge across the river.
Most estates had lodges at the entrances to the grounds, occupied by gate keepers or other estate staff. A lodge was very far from being posh in those days.
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Here I go with what I discovered about the five children Andrew and Jane had together. Hopefully some snippets may be of assistance to other seekers;
1) Their oldest son, also Andrew, was born 1879 in Fintry, He married Janet McLennan in 1906 in Carluke. On 1911 census he is recorded as a Miner, living at Main Street, Bellshill with his wife and his son, another Andrew, aged 6, John aged 2, William McLennan Buchanan aged 1. A possible daughter, Jane, was born 1915. Andrew died 1947 in Bellshill.
2) John McCallum Buchanan was born 13th September 1880, Fintry. He married Annie Fleming of Parkhead Rows, Bellshill on 31st December 1907. This couple had 9 children;
Mabel Florence born 1908, died Renfrew 1987. Annie born 1908 and died the same year. Jeannie born 1910 died 1954 in Law Hospital, Carluke but she lived in Motherwell. George born 1911 and died 1934 in Motherwell. From all family accounts George was a really great guy. Lily born 1914, died 1930 Motherwell. Esther born 1915 and she died 2007. Then we have James born 1918 and who died in Canada. William was born 1921 and died the next year. Finally the baby of the family, Andrew born 1924 and who died in 2012.
Glad that lot is over, now for the next family.
3) William McCallum Buchanan, born 1885 in Fintry. Census records show in 1911 he is a Brakesman, living with his wife Edith McNeil, married Blantyre 1906. They lived in Coatbridge. They have a daughter Isabella, aged 3, a son William aged 4 months as well as his stepson, John McNeil aged 9. In this case there are too many other possible children to follow up. William McCallum Buchanan died in 1973 so cannot access any further info.
4) This story, I find quite sad. George was born in Fintry on 1887.On 1911 census George is still living with his Mother and Stepfather at 7 Dalziel Street, Motherwell so life must have been fairly settled at that point. His occupation is Pony Driver at Coal Mine. Unfortunately the next information I can find is in 1917; "Presumed Killed in Action" Ref 117 AF/203 aged 31 serving with 2nd Battalion Gordon Highlanders. Such heartache caused to so many families. I have discovered that both sides of my family were deeply affected by WW1.
5) Jane Buchanan born 1889 in Cambusnethan. In 1909 Jane, noted as Jeanie, married Thomas McClung. On 1911 census Jane is living with her husband, no children, at 152 Merry Street Motherwell. Their son, Thomas William, was born in 1912. I have no further information regarding any further children of that marriage. Sadly once again WW1 caused more sadness and Thomas McClung died in September 1915 whilst at war. Jane remarried in 1920 to George Cassells and this marriage produced at least one son John. Jane died 3rd August 1947 in Motherwell. As I remarked in a previous post it really is a very small world.
What did Jane McCallum Buchanan do next, after being left aged 31 with 5 small children? To be continued.
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Thanks for that information and confirming that the dwellings would have been pretty spartan. From census reports a lot of the Buchanan family lived and worked on the estate. Sure must have been a hard life. I had a wander around the big House and the opulence therein, given the obvious surrounding poverty sticks in my mind. No wonder families decided to exchange the fresh air of Fintry for the deepest, darkest, murkiness of industrial Lanarkshire. This story has taken me quite a few years I think I am almost there now.
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What did Jane McCallum Buchanan do next, after being left aged 31 with 5 small children? To be continued.
Jane could have applied for poor relief in those five years. You could try making enquires at the North Lanarkshire Heritage Centre at https://culturenl.co.uk/museums/archives-and-local-history-museums/researching-your-family-history/
Monica
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There is a death that looks interesting for you to follow up:
JEANIE CASSELLS
Age 70
Mother's maiden name BUCHANAN
1991
682/ 11
Old Cumnock
There are two other death entries with the same details and refs with the additional surnames of MCCLUNG and MILROY.
A Jeanie Cassells married a John Milroy in the Dalziel parish in 1945.
There is a birth in 1920 in Dalziel for a Jeanie Cassells.
Monica
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The next part of this saga explains what happened to Jane after the death of her husband. To be continued later.
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This part concludes the saga of Jane McCallum born 11th March 1859;
When Jane's husband, Andrew Buchanan, died 20th January 1890 Jane was left with five children however she remarried 28th July the same year. Her second husband was James Docherty aged 29, a widower, living at 7 Quarry Row, Cambusnethan. Jane's address is the same although her surname, once again, is written as McCallion. James's parents are given as John Docherty and Elizabeth Docherty, nee Brownlie. This probably why James used both surnames.
This marriage produced four children;
1) James Brownlie born 1892
2) Stillborn daughter born 1894
3) Annie Brownlie born 1896
4) Mabel Florence born 1897 but she died aged 3 years 4 months.
So this really means the only details required are for James and Annie.
James born 1892 and married twice. First wife was Janet Rintoul. A few years ago Loves Autumn was looking for information regarding this marriage. But I have no contact details for this contributor.
James second wife was Helen Reid, whose home address on James Death cert is given as Edinburgh, she was in fact the informant. Very sadly James Brownlie died in a Workhouse/Lunatic Asylum in Stirling on 9th September 1953. I have no information, yet, of any children he may have had or what he did during those missing years. Perhaps that is my next challenge. Possible army connection?
Annie Brownlie born 1896 Married John Graham McRoberts in 1921 and had four children.
1) James Brownlie McRoberts born 1920. He married Eliz Higgins in 1944
2) Robert Brownlie McRoberts born 1922 and married Ellen Allan Watt in 1962
3) John Brownlie McRoberts born 1924 and married Susan Scoular in 1952
4) Mary Brownlie McRoberts born 1926 and married John Haining Tollan in 1966
One mystery arising from this thread is that there seems to be another child from this marriage; i.e. Robert Brownlie McRoberts born 1930 but died that same year. Why would that have happened when there was already another Robert who was born in 1922?
Anyway back to Jane McCallum/Buchanan/Brownlie. By 1911 she was living in Motherwell with her husband ,James Brownlie, her son George Buchanan and her daughter Annie Brownlie.
Life, I hope, at that point was settled for Jane. James Docherty Brownlie died 27th March 1928 and Jane died 9th February 1931 in Motherwell. Obviously I never met Jane but I believe she was a strong woman.
Now going to put all my bits of paper into some kind of order
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Jane McCallum/ Buchanan/Brownlie was my Great Grandmother! I hope I am as strong as she seems to have been.
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Interesting story ...You seemed to have gathered a lot of information ...Glad it's all coming together for you
Rosie :)
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From someone's previous post i have the information that Jane McCallum (who married Andrew Buchanan in 1878) was born 11th March 1859, but I haven't been able to find her birth certificate on Scotlands people.
Also I haven't been able to find the birth certificate of William Dunstan, son of Andrew Buchanan and Jane McCallum, but I found him on the 1901 census, aged 16 He was living in the household of James Brownlie who had married Jane (McCallum) Buchanan after Andrew Buchanan died in 1890.
I would appreciate any help re the birth certificates, and would also love any further information on the Buchanan and McCallum families.
thank you.
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Hello Greerjv,
Welcome to RootsChat.
When you start off a new topic it does not alert the member to your reply. I am just searching for the topic that you refer to so that I can merge your message to the topic, this way they will be alerted to your message.
There are a few topics, is this the correct one ?
Threads merged.
Regards
Sarah
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Re the children of Andrew BUCHANAN and Jane McCallum / McCallion I advise that George BUCHANAN didn’t die in WW1. He migrated to Australia, leaving London on the 10th November 1911 on the steamship Kapaira. He married here and I’m his granddaughter.
I thank you for all the other information about this family.
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Jane Buchanan was my great grandmother too. Her son George was my grandfather.
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This could be a possibility on Scotland's People
Jane Macallian 1859 Cambusnethan
Rosie
I see your posts have been merged so this is an answer to your other post looking for help finding a birth certificate
Rosie
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Greerjv you were also looking for a birth for a William Dunstan son of Jane McCallum and Andrew
Buchanan not sure where the Dunstan name comes in
But there is 2 possible births on Scotland's People
William McCallu Buchanan 1884 Hamilton Lanarkshire
William Buchannan 1884 New Monkland
I would say the one in Hamilton would be the one to check out Hamilton is down as place of birth on census forms ..And when his mother applies for poor relief
Rosie
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Thank you for the information. Now I need to sort it all.
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I must have been half asleep when I wrote DUNSTAN. I meant BUCHANAN. !
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I must have been half asleep when I wrote DUNSTAN. I meant BUCHANAN. !
;D ;D
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Many thanks to Greerjv for tying up another of my loose ends. She solved the problem of my missing Great Uncle.From the other side of the world she told me my Great Uncle George was her Grandfather. The world really is getting smaller.
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Would love to speak to you further about this. My great grandfather was James Docherty Brownlie. He married my great grandmother Janet Rintoul in 1915 and had at least one child, my grandmother Annie Brownlie in 1915. Unfortunately Janet Rintoul died in 1920 and my grandmother was not raised by her father so I am looking for more information about possible half siblings. Her father James remarried Helen Reid in 1921 so I would love any information that you may have come across with respect to children they may have had together. On Helen's death certificate it was signed by her son Thomas Brownlie so there is at least one sibling my grandma had. Just wondering if it was a half sibling or a full sibling and what other family she may have not know about.
You did mention that my great grandfather died in a workhouse/asylum. I was wondering where this information was gather from so that I may look at it as well. I do have a copy of his death certificate but did not notice anything outside of his cause of death.
I did send you a message so hopefully we can touch base and dig into this further together!
Thanks
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. CASSELS.—At Port Pirie Hospital, West, South Australia, the 10th April 1930 (from acute pneumonia), George Cassells, beloved husband of Jean Buchanan, late of Leslie Street, Motherwell.
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. At 300 Muir Street, Motherwell, on August 3, 1947. Jeanie Buchanan Cassells, beloved wife of the late George Cassells, who died on April 10, 1930
from local Motherwell newspapers of time.
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How strange when another little piece of the puzzle comes together. This late lady was my Great Aunt and I know from Greerjv that she visited her brother, George, in Australia. She had been widowed during WW1 and remarried later, so it's back to my little bits of paper
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George Cassels, who died at Port Pirie Hospital, South Australia, 10th April 1930, as reported by Scotmum, was buried in the Port Pirie Cemetery. He was aged 42 years. Now I’m going looking for a gravestone. I’m not in Port Pirie but think there may be a site to help. My mother, who told me of his wife, Jean’s visit never mentioned him. Strange.
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George Cassels, who died at Port Pirie Hospital, South Australia, 10th April 1930, as reported by Scotmum, was buried in the Port Pirie Cemetery. He was aged 42 years.
Now I’m going looking for a gravestone. I’m not in Port Pirie but think there may be a site to help.
from find a grave (no image)
Port Pirie Cemetery George Cassells is buried PLOT CP, LOT 187, GRAVE:4
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/215122645/george-cassells
Here's a map layout of the cemetery
https://www.pirie.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/138852/Port-Pirie-Cemetery-Map.pdf
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From Trove:
The Australian Worker paper, 30th April 1930, Port Pirie section:
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qgk/
. Comrade George Cassells, an old member of the Union, and a' staunch Unionist much loved by his mates, passed out during the month. His death was unexpected and came as a shock to the members here.
also from Trove, his death notice:
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qgl/
. Cassells - George, beloved husband of Jeanie Cassells, at Port Pirie
'Hospital' on April 10 - aged 42 years. A Patient Sufferer at Rest
and funeral notice
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qgm/
. The friends of the late George Cassells are respectfully informed that his funeral (motor) will leave his
late residence, Mill street, Helensiea, at 2.30 p.m. THIS DAY {Friday) forthe Port Pirie Cemetery.