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Hi - this is linked to my earlier request
There is a marriage:-
Robert Surtis to Sarah Ward in both Tanfield & All Saints Lanchester 2/8/1715 or 12/8/1715 - both by License
Again which is correct?
thanks
Judith
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Where did you see this on the Durham Record Office site? Or did you mean Durham Records online - which isn't connected to the DRO.
Marriage abstract shows that he was from Tanfield and she was from Lanchester
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-67T8-KF?i=104&wc=MLVD-PTP%3A165411101%2C165411102%2C165412401&cc=1840743
and the licence is here (though that is a LOT harder to read than the typewritten abstract)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6LD7-FRL?i=60&wc=M6KL-DMS%3A129217601%2C129217602&cc=1675690
Perhaps it was written in both the registers ? - though Durham Records Online say that the information is not from the original Tanfield register (which was so badly water damaged its unreadable) but from a pre 1841 extract
Boo
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Hi Boo
The records seen were on Durhamrecordsonline - never think of familysearch for info re Licenses. I use familysearch all the time to look through BTs
Could the fact that he was from Tanfield and she from Lanchester explain the 2 different Churches listed for their nuptials?
Judith
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Hi Boo
The records seen were on Durhamrecordsonline - never think of familysearch for info re Licenses. I use familysearch all the time to look through BTs
Family Search has all sorts of good stuff if you firkle around enough. :-)
Could the fact that he was from Tanfield and she from Lanchester explain the 2 different Churches listed for their nuptials?
It may do, I don't have access to the original records so can't really say, but its a strong possibility.
Boo
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Thank you Tickettyboo - next time I''m at Society of Genealogists in London I might see what they have
Best wishes
Judith :)
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I had come across a few of the double entries, and all were by licence. My initial reasoning was that the marriage took place in the bride's Parish but the service was conducted by groom's encumbent.
BUT... on a pro-forma register where blanks were to be filled in, there was a big clue to the answer. The pro-forma had - were married in this Church - and the groom's Parish register had the 'in this Church' crossed through, so my theory is that because there were no Banns published, and the marriage was in a different Parish, the groom's encumbent announced the marriage to his congregation and entered the details in his register. No wagging tongues in his Parish!!
Colin
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Thank you Colin - that does make a lot of sense
Regards
Judith :) :)
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On DRO website there is a note regarding the entry for Tanfield St Margaret which I would think was probably Roberts Parish. Maybe the difference in date was an error on Cuthbert Sharp's behalf. quote "[Note: this register was water-damaged beyond repair and is no longer extant, so this record is from Cuthbert Sharp's pre-1841 register extract held at the Durham Cathedral Library.]
The marriage bond is dated 11 August.
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In regards to the Surtees/Ward marriage I was wondering if anybody else had spotted this marriage bond dated 16 Jul 1716 a marriage between John Walton, gentleman & Sarah Surties widow of Lanchester.
There is a burial for a Robert Surtis on the 08 Mar 1716 of Lanchester.
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In regards to the Surtees/Ward marriage I was wondering if anybody else had spotted this marriage bond dated 16 Jul 1716 a marriage between John Walton, gentleman & Sarah Surties widow of Lanchester.
There is a burial for a Robert Surtis on the 08 Mar 1716 of Lanchester.
I got nosey about this and checked the North East Inheritance Database (wills/probate for Diocese of Durham pre 1858)
http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/simple.php
and there is this entry which looks like its 'possible' ?
Robert SURETIES, of Lanchester [Lanchester, County Durham]
Date of probate: 23 March 1716
administration bond, penal sum £300, 23 March 1716 (DPR/I/3/1715/B204/1-2)
Sadly there is no link to an image on Family Search and I tried browsing but that ref doesn't seem to be included in the image database.
An enquiry to Palace Green Library may produce a copy if anyone wanted it but there will be a cost (last Marriage bond/Allegation I had from them as it wasn't on Family Search was £10)
Boo
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Thank you Both for your input.
I had liked the idea of Robert & Sarah as it fitted in with daughter Katherine baptism a few months after their marriage however there is the possbility she had a brother baptised March 1720 per DROL. Both records are from St Mary Magdalene, Medomsley, only show fathers name & nothing else.
Two other things make me think Robert & Sarah aren't right parents 1) there is no daughter/grand-daughter of Katherine called Sarah although to be fair I've only found sons but there are grand-daughters 2) the Blackburns tended to be pitmen so Robert having a will & Sarah marrying a Gentleman doesn't seem right but not, of course, impossible just improbable!
Judith