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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Airdriehunter on Wednesday 23 January 19 19:21 GMT (UK)
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Has anybody any idea if this name is Gell Howard? I've never heard of such a name.
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That's what I see too.
Carol
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Looks llike Gell Howard to me to ;)
Sandra
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Thanks everyone, strange. It must date to about 1900, could it be a foreign name or a nickname?
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She’s the “mother” - so if a birth cert what does it say elsewhere for the maternal details?
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Good point, avm228.
Meanwhile, is this a certificate that was written out at the time the birth was registered? - in which case you would expect the registrar to have copied correctly what they wrote in the register.
However, if it's one that was written out later, it will have been produced either in a local register office as a first generation copy from the original register, by someone who hadn't met the informant/mother, or in the GRO as a second generation copy based on the local office's quarterly return, which would have been the first generation copy.
In either of these cases, a transcription error could have crept in.
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How about a badly written Bell Howard?
Skoosh.
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Or a badly written Gill Howard. (Gillian)
Wiggy
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It must date to about 1900
You must surely know the date of this document, plus lots of other information on it which would help identify the family concerned?
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Maybe the name of the father in the previous column might help us :-\
Added - could be a pet name for something like Abigail :-\
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Will the GRO index help with MMN
Jennifer
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Yes I do know the date of the document but I don't know the informants date of birth or her maiden name. She is the mother of a Herbert Augustus Leopold Howard born 1896. I really don't have much other information at present. I was trying to figure out his parents to find his birth and marriage certs
i couldn't resize to include more of the cert. the birth was in 1928 and copy from 1943
Thanks
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Sorry everyone, it is a birth cert but I am missing a piece as it was a digital copy emailed to me. Think baby is Eliza Howard. Parents are Gladys Mary Moller and Herbert Augustus Howard. Informant Gell Howard mother. He is a blouse manufacturer.
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Sorry everyone, it is a birth cert but I am missing a piece as it was a digital copy emailed to me. Think baby is Eliza Howard. Parents are Gladys Mary Moller and Herbert Augustus Howard. Informant Gell Howard mother. He is a blouse manufacturer.
In that case “Gell” is presumably a nickname for Gladys?
Added: or perhaps it’s supposed to say G M Howard?
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Herbert A Howard married Gladys M Moller, Mar qtr 1921 Stockport 8a 146.
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Oh well, I thought it was perhaps his mother and a clue.
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Oh well, I thought it was perhaps his mother and a clue.
“Mother” on a birth certificate means the baby’s mother.
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Is he the one who came to NZ in 1954 and married in Cheshire 1921? Some on-line listings are noting a birth year of 1898.
May have come out with a Grace Howard (M) and a Dorothy Forster Howard. Gladys is 8 years older according to the emigration record on FS.
Death record 1955 in Stockport Cheshire may be worth getting. Shows birth year as 1896.
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thanks everyone, I got confused as baby was born at a different address to the one that was used by the informants signature and in this case mother. I'll have to send if fir the marriage cert.
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thanks Shanreagh, those names are not familiar at all but i have no idea of his past until I get the marriage cert. I do know that there are connnections with New Zealand.
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What was the birth address? Not all mothers gave birth at home; some went to their own mother, especially for a first birth, or to an infirmary.
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Hard to understand, but I think it says T.O.A.M, 21 hooley range, UD. Sub district is Heaton Norris, Stockport
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Hard to understand, but I think it says T.O.A.M, 21 hooley range, UD. Sub district is Heaton Norris, Stockport
Don't know what the TOAM is but 21 Hooley Range still exists as a large 5 bedroom house. Elizabeth Howard was born 1928.
Other Stockport births with a mother with a maiden name of Moller are
Kathleen B Howard birth registered 1920
Joan Howard birth registered 1928
Perhaps Elizabeth was a twin or an 'Irish twin' ie born same year as an earlier child.
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Elizabeth’s birth is registered together with Joan’s (same vol & page no) suggesting they were twins. If she was a twin her time of birth, as well as the date, should appear on the certificate.
It looks as though there were probably some premarital children too; also (away from their usual area) Gilbert F in Fulham in 1922, consistent with electoral rolls showing the couple living there at the time.
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Gladys Mary Moller (b 1889) and her sister Bessie Gertrude Moller (b 1890) had spent some time in Australia, sailing from London to Fremantle in 1912, and Adelaide to Sydney in 1913. I wonder whether she met Herbert on her travels?
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That is a possibility ...Gladys and Herbert may have come out to NZ in 1954. On a NZ departure (30/7/1954 on Port Philip) record on FS Herbert is shown as Man. director which ties in with being a Blouse manufacturer. On the emigration record (arrival in Wellington on Ruahine) he is shown as Director and is accompanied by Gladys Howard
a single female Dorothy Forster Howard aged 31 school teacher
and a married female Grace Howard aged 35 housewife
From my own knowledge several of my own family who were schoolteachers came from UK to teach here.....I think there was a scheme to encourage people over. One of my female relatives stayed for about 4 years being placed throughout NZ and came back a couple of times later to teach.
Wildcard but a Grace Howard born 9/9/1918 dies in NZ
2015/24628 Howard Grace May DoB 9 September 1918
Maiden name Gordon and buried in Lower Hutt near Wellington NZ
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Herbert and Gladys do not seem to have stayed in NZ very long - they left London for Wellington on 22 January 1954 and arrived back in London on 8 September 1954. Home address 187 Buxton Rd, Stockport, Cheshire. Their intended future residence was England in both documents, so it looks as though it was just a holiday.
The other Howard on the outbound passenger list - Grace - was from Ilford in Essex, future permanent residence NZ. She travelled on a separate ticket and there is no indication that she was connected to Herbert and Gladys. I don’t see the Dorothy Forster Howard referred to?
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Avm228, thankyou, it seems that Gladys parents moved to new zealand. Victir Julius Moller and Eliza. Buxton was the family house of Herbert and Gladys.
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..... I don’t see the Dorothy Forster Howard referred to?
She appears on the Archives NZ list. Take your point re the list. Howard is not an unusual name and she probably has no connection.