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Title: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: janjim on Friday 18 January 19 07:13 GMT (UK)
Wonder if anyone could assist me please.  We are looking for William Brindley born in 1895, we believe to Charlotte Brindley.  Do not know who the Father may have been.   In 1901 census, he is shown as being aged 6, living at the Newbury Union Workhouse, with a mix of different aged people residing therein.

We are trying to find his whereabouts after this, could not find him in 1911 census, we think his mother Charlotte died in 1902.

We feel that maybe he later migrated to Australia, but cannot find any further information, unless of course he changed his name.

Jan
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 18 January 19 07:43 GMT (UK)
I think mother may have been married:

BRINDLEY, WILLIAM mmn RICHMOND
GRO Reference: 1895  M Quarter in NEWBURY  Volume 02C  Page 253

The only birth without a mmn is in CHEADLE, in 1896.

Jamjar
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: janjim on Friday 18 January 19 07:49 GMT (UK)
May I ask, what does "mmn" mean, please
Jan
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 18 January 19 08:03 GMT (UK)
Mother’s maiden name, Jan.

Jamjar
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 18 January 19 08:05 GMT (UK)
Why do you think his mother is a Charlotte?

Jamjar
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: stevemiller on Friday 18 January 19 08:19 GMT (UK)
Hello Jan,
Two Richmond sisters (my great, great aunts) married two Brindley brothers -
Hannah Maria married Joseph in 1875, and Mary Ann married Daniel in 1880.

I must admit I don't have William Brindley (born 1895) recorded in my tree, but I have not checked through the online GRO Index. 

It's curious that he is in the workhouse in 1901.

I was also going to ask where you get Charlotte from, but I see Jamjar asked as I was typing.

This might be a case of ordering the birth certificate.

best wishes, Steve 
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 18 January 19 08:34 GMT (UK)
The mentioned 1901 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS3T-DF1

Jamjar
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 18 January 19 08:39 GMT (UK)
Is this the 1902 death you refer to: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JC2D-Z4W

If so, I think she is with her folks in 1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS32-3W2

Jamjar
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: janjim on Friday 18 January 19 11:56 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve.
We are probably grasping at straws.   Just quickly, without doing more research late at night, are your Richmond sisters who married Brindleys, from Newbury, Berkshire.

We live in Australia, and are trying to sort out family connections with DNA matches.

There are so many Brindleys that lived in Newbury, and re Charlotte being the Mother, this could be totally incorrect. 

Jan

Hello Jan,
Two Richmond sisters (my great, great aunts) married two Brindley brothers -
Hannah Maria married Joseph in 1875, and Mary Ann married Daniel in 1880.

I must admit I don't have William Brindley (born 1895) recorded in my tree, but I have not checked through the online GRO Index. 

It's curious that he is in the workhouse in 1901.

I was also going to ask where you get Charlotte from, but I see Jamjar asked as I was typing.

This might be a case of ordering the birth certificate.

best wishes, Steve
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: janjim on Friday 18 January 19 12:17 GMT (UK)
Steve,
My GGG Grandmother was Lucy Brindley b. 1794 Cheslyn Hay, she died in 1879 at Newbury.
Lucy Brindley married Thomas Wootton, he died and then she re-married to a Daniel New, who was a Hawker in Newbury.
So yes, your relations would be issue of Lucy Brindley's siblings.
I need more time to go through my tree on Ancestry, there is much to update, and this is where we are trying to find the connection with a DNA match.

We have found a 3rd cousin living in Broome, Western Australia, whom we think comes down the line of the Brindley/New family.    But where, is an absolute puzzle.     

Cheers Jan
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: stevemiller on Friday 18 January 19 12:31 GMT (UK)
Hello Jan,
Yes, both Richmond sisters were born in Newbury; Hannah in 1857 and Mary Ann in 1863 , daughters of John Richmond and Jane Griffin (my 2xgreat grandparents).

Between them the Richmond sisters had 29 Brindley children! At this moment I'm trying to sort them out with the GRO index.

I've done a DNA test with Ancestry if that's any help
 best wishes
Steve

Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: stevemiller on Friday 18 January 19 15:00 GMT (UK)
I've now sorted out the 29 Brindley children born to the two Richmond mothers.

Luckily all of Hannah's eleven were alive in 1911 according to her census return. Of Mary's 18, 6 had died by 1911. This has helped the sorting.

I would say that William born Q1 1895 was the son of Daniel and Mary Ann. He is actually listed (albeit as aged 3) as one of her children when she was prosecuted for child neglect in July 1900. She was in trouble again in Jan/Feb 1901. This might explain why William was in the workhouse, and two of his sisters were in homes training to be servants - obviously some intervention had taken place.
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: janjim on Friday 18 January 19 20:04 GMT (UK)
Thank you very much Steve, that's great information.  Will get my tree together now.
Just in the meantime, wondering what is your username for the matching, will check this out now.
We would have to be fairly distant, but I have a cousin who is on a higher level, she may have a match with you.
Jan
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: stevemiller on Saturday 19 January 19 06:44 GMT (UK)
My pleasure, Jan.

Your query prompted me to have a tidy up of my tree.

Like you, I could not see William after 1901.

My Ancestry username is S J Miller - I'm not aware of any matches from all these Brindleys, but please shout if you spot anything.

Researching Newbury Brindleys could be a hobby in itself!

best wishes
Steve
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: janjim on Saturday 19 January 19 06:53 GMT (UK)
Steve,
Thanks for that information.   You are absolutely right the Brindleys certainly could be a hobby in themselves, such a huge family.   We have several other members who were Fishmongers in Newbury.
Our New family were very involved in the old Inns scene, my Grandfather had the Old London Apprentice Inn, as did his Father Charles New, and Uncles had the Two Brewers, and of course the lovely Swan Inn out at Newtown (all from the Brindley family scene)

Will keep an eye out for any matches with you.
Regards
Jan
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: Wendy Brindley on Tuesday 08 February 22 15:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Jan,
I am fairly new to family history research. My name was Wendy Brindley and I was born in Newbury. I have taken an Ancestry dna test and I am a match with Steve Miller (if that helps.) William Brindley, 1796 Cheslyn Hay or Burslem, Staffs is the first Brindley I have in Newbury. He married Charlotte Challis, a Newbury girl. I think his father was James Brindley and was born in Pelshall, Staffordshire 1771. However I cannot pin down his wife, its either Jane Baker or Sarah Higgs according to various ancestry members. It doesn't help that both women appear to have married 2 years apart The first child appears to have been born 1796 (William) so that doesn't help much as he is born after both marriage dates!

Jane Baker 12 Dec 1791  James Brindley Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Sarah Higgs 16 July 1793 James Brindley 16 July Cheadle, Staffordshire.

On balance I think it is more likely to be Jane as Cheslyn Hay is only 4 miles away from Pelshall. However of course the Brindleys keep calling themselves the same name and it perfectly possible to have umpteen cousins all called James Brindley.  The question is do I have the right James Brindley?
I am aware of Brindley's going to Australia, for instance I remember my great Aunt Mary leaving when I was a small girl, she had married Arthur Lovelock but was widowed and she and their son,Graham emigrated to Australia. I believe Mary died within the last 10 years. I have also had some DNA links with other Brindleys who are in Austalia.



If I can be of help to you please let me know. My mother still lives in Newbury and I return often.

Best wishes,
Wendy
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: janjim on Friday 22 July 22 05:28 BST (UK)
Wendy,
I seemed to have missed your posting, so am just touching base first of all.  I am continuing on with the research of our Brindley family, coming up with various family DNA matches and now trying to match them up.
My family line is with Lucy Brindley and was shown in 1815 Toomers census as being with James Brindley aged 18 years (1797)and William Brindley aged 22 years (1793).   Still need to confirm that these were Lucy's brothers.
We have a match with a Michelle Brindley who is a descendant of Robert Brindley & Elizabeth Wheate who are our Common Ancestors.
Can we connect up with you.  I have a DNA match with Kaylene Redward, BH (Bruce Hunt) and RH (Robert Hunt)
Regards Jan
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: camden on Sunday 22 December 24 21:14 GMT (UK)
Wendy
The banns of marriage between James Brindley & Jane Baker were published at St Luke's Anglican Church,Cannock 6th, 13& 20 Nov 1791 by J Rudd Curate prior to the marriage of James Brindley, bachelor, and Jane Baker, spinster, both of Cheslyn Hay on 12 Dec 1791. They were  married in the presence of Samuel Whitehouse and Thomas Byrch. Groom, bride and Samuel Whitehouse made their mark. Thomas Byrch signed his name.
James, the eldest of the four children of Robert Brindley and Elizabeth Wheate was baptised 24 March 1771 at Norton Canes in the parish of St Michael & All Angels, Pelsall. He was buried at Newbury 22 Apr 1822. Jane was born Abt 1774 and was buried at Newbury 21 October 1820.
Regards
camden
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: janjim on Sunday 22 December 24 21:36 GMT (UK)
Wow this is great, thank you so much for this information.   Camden do you have further information on their children please.       Jan
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: janjim on Sunday 22 December 24 23:17 GMT (UK)
My side of the family is Lucy Brindley who was born at Worley, Staffordshire, her parents shown as William Brindley & Jane Baker.   She was later seen in Toomer Census living at Newbury and she married Daniel New and lived in Wash Road, Newbury in 1841 census.   Grandparents were Robert Brindley & Elizabeth Wheate.

Still trying to work out if Lucy has the correct Father now.   Was this a typographical error with records showing her Father as William.

Jan
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: janjim on Friday 10 January 25 00:37 GMT (UK)
Camden, I am presuming you are a family connection (Beverley) thank you for this.
Jan
Title: Re: William Brindley b. 1895 Newbury, Berkshire
Post by: janjim on Saturday 11 January 25 06:30 GMT (UK)
Wendy,
I think we're starting to get the correct facts now and believe that James Brindley married Jane Baker.
Interesting information re your Great Aunt Mary marrying Arthur Lovelock.  Do you know what year she migrated to Australia?    I do have a son named Brian Lovelock, was not aware of a Graham.
  Would be good to get all of that information updated too please.

Jan

Hi Jan,
I am fairly new to family history research. My name was Wendy Brindley and I was born in Newbury. I have taken an Ancestry dna test and I am a match with Steve Miller (if that helps.) William Brindley, 1796 Cheslyn Hay or Burslem, Staffs is the first Brindley I have in Newbury. He married Charlotte Challis, a Newbury girl. I think his father was James Brindley and was born in Pelshall, Staffordshire 1771. However I cannot pin down his wife, its either Jane Baker or Sarah Higgs according to various ancestry members. It doesn't help that both women appear to have married 2 years apart The first child appears to have been born 1796 (William) so that doesn't help much as he is born after both marriage dates!

Jane Baker 12 Dec 1791  James Brindley Cheslyn Hay, Staffordshire
Sarah Higgs 16 July 1793 James Brindley 16 July Cheadle, Staffordshire.

On balance I think it is more likely to be Jane as Cheslyn Hay is only 4 miles away from Pelshall. However of course the Brindleys keep calling themselves the same name and it perfectly possible to have umpteen cousins all called James Brindley.  The question is do I have the right James Brindley?
I am aware of Brindley's going to Australia, for instance I remember my great Aunt Mary leaving when I was a small girl, she had married Arthur Lovelock but was widowed and she and their son,Graham emigrated to Australia. I believe Mary died within the last 10 years. I have also had some DNA links with other Brindleys who are in Austalia.



If I can be of help to you please let me know. My mother still lives in Newbury and I return often.

Best wishes,
Wendy