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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: Michelle_2 on Wednesday 16 January 19 20:23 GMT (UK)
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Hello, I am trying to research my Dad's side of the family who's surname was Smith. But have hit a dead end so was wondering if anyone would be able to help me?
I am searching for:
George Smith, born 1822 (ish) and died in 1905 - can't find a birth certificate.
Married Sarah Robinson around 1841-1846, but not found marriage certificate.
Worked as a coal miner in Swannington and was from the parish. The earliest census I can find with a George Smith is 1841 but it looks like he was a lodger with another family which weren't his parents.
I am going to search the archives in Wigston this weekend, but I would be very grateful for any information that anyone has on George
Thanks in advance :)
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Welcome to Rootschat
Prior to 1.7.1837 there were no birth certs - only possible baptismal entries in parish records
What is his actual birthplace given on census records as the 1851 has 2 entries - both b 1819 but one b Stableford and the other born Gt Dalby. Neither were miners
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He is in Derbyshire in 1851 - eldest child aged 4 so marriage more likely 1844/45
Where did you get Sarah’s maiden name from?
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Married Sarah Robinson around 1841-1846, but not found marriage certificate.
1861 has a 9yr old son George. The only George Smith birth in Leics with mmn Robinson was in 1849. The 1851 only has a 4yr old Mary Ann and 1yr old Thomas
1861 also has William 6 and James 1 but there are no births for any of the children in Leics with mmn Robinson
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Do you mean Sarah’s maiden names was Roberts? The 1871 entry has 90yr old mother in law Ann Roberts living with them?
Marriage December qtr 1843 George Smith/Sarah Roberts Ashby de la Zouche. 15 8
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Marriage transcript on www.familysearch.org - no father shown for George
George Smith
25 Dec 1843
Event Place Coleorton, Leicestershire
Age Of Full Age
Religion Anglican
Spouse's Name Sarah Roberts
Spouse's Residence Place Coleorton
Spouse's Age Of Full Age
Spouse's Father's Name John Roberts
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Hi everyone, thank you for all your replies! I did mean Sarah Roberts for his wife but my phone auto corrected it to Robinson ::)
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Possible illegitimate births for George SMITH;
23 Jan 1818 Barwell. Mother SARAH a Servant, abode Potters Marsden
20 May 1819 Hinkley, Mother ELIZABETH a F.W.Knitter
I may be clutching at straws here but in 1841 George is living with the Glover Family.
Marriage;
30 Dec 1823 Whitwick, Leicester
Samuel GLOVER to Sarah SMITH
1841 Samuel/Sarah have a Daug Louisa age 2
GLOVER, LOUISA, Mothers mn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in MERIDEN UNION Volume 16 Page 367
Im in OZ but from a bit of googling Swannington is about 13 miles from Barwell
Trish :)
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According to the birth of Harriett Glover on 12th March 1833 at Griffydam, Wesleyan Methodist, Sarah was the daughter of James and Mary Smith.
She fits the birth of Sarah baptised in Coleorton on 1st February 1801.
A James Smith married a Mary Knight in Whitwick on 15th January 1789.
Possibly several other children in Coleorton.
Sarah could be the mother of George but I can't find any details.
David
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Oh wow! So as there is no father on the marriage info for George and Sarah Roberts, then does that mean George was definitely illegitimate? Or could it be that his parents died at a young age? Although I did see that he was living with the Glover family. So it is possible that Sarah, daughter of James and Mary could be his mother? If Sarah was his mother maybe Samuel Glover isn't his father but he married Sarah afterwards?
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On the later censuses, Sarah gave her birth place as Swannington. She was buried there in 27th June 1874 - abode of Limby Hall, where she was living in 1861-71 (ages incorrect).
No firm proof that she was George's mother, but possible.
David
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My gut tells me that George is Sarahs Son but I cant find a Baptism in Swannington/Cole Orton/Whitwick for him only the possible Barwell one 1818.
Sarah also had a Daug MARY Smith christened 7 October 1821 Cole Orton (F/S.Org)
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There's a bastardy Indictment record that is at the records office, sorry about the timing!
From ref disc
QS5/1/11
30-Mar 1818 2 Easter Smith Sarah Potters Marston
Rawlins Isaac Coton Discharged
QS5/1/11 QS6/1/14
30-Mar 1818 2 Easter Smith Sarah Potters Marston ...Male child
Rawlins Isaac Coton Order of Filiation
The Q nos. are the microfiche reference
I have not viewed an indictment before so maybe another member can tell you what details are in the records
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There is a note added to the baptism of Mary in 1821 which states the she was baptised privately in May 1811 but not registered by the midwife, by mistake: received into the church on the above date (7th October 1821)
It could be that George was not baptised near time of his birth, but I can't find one later.
David
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Possible link:-
One of the witnesses to the marriage of George Smith was William Cutler. He probably married Catherine Smith in 1837.
Both were of Swannington but Catherine was a spinster. However, she gave her father as Thomas Price.
Although born c 1817, she seems to have been baptised in Griffydam on 26th October 1834, born 15th November 1817, daughter of Sarah Smith, a spinster of Swannington. Her mother, like Sarah Glover, was also the daughter of James and Mary Smith.
I suspect that George and Catherine were siblings, but definite proof as yet.
In 1851, Catherine was a widow and one of her children was James Smith Cutler.
David
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William Cutler, the husband of Catherine Smith, died possibly in 1850 in Coalville.
She then married Solomon Siddons in Q4 1853 in Ashby District.
In 1859, she was a witness at the marriage of James Glover, son of Sarah Glover nee Smith, to Mary Mitchell, on 30th August in Whitwick.
David
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Being as Catherine gave her father as Thomas Price, it could be possible that he was George's father too?
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Thomas Price might have been the father of both but George's father could have been anybody, including Samuel Glover.
Interestingly, a Thomas Price married a Mary Wradell/Wardle in Heather in 1823. A William Wardle was a witness to the marriage of Catherine Smith. Mary Wadell was born in Coleorton and had a brother called William, but may just be a coincidence.
David
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Good work David :)
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Thanks Trish, although it was your post about the Glover family which set me on the trail and deserves credit.
David