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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: tigger_lass on Tuesday 15 January 19 18:40 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Looking for some map help - can anyone advise where 499 Glasgow Road would have been? I know it was in District 628, Enumeration book No 19 but I can't seem to locate the exact location on a modern map.
Thanks
Tracey
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Try the old map
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=55.7760&lon=-3.9378&layers=168&b=1
Which census is it?
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Hi
It's the 1901 census I was referring to - the property was later owned by my 2x great grandfather and he died there in 1917.
I'm familiar with Wishaw and know where Glasgow Road is but it's obviously changed a lot in the last 100 years lol.
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That map is about the closest you are going to get - it was surveyed in 1896.
If you can get at a microfilm copy of the census in a local library or family history centre, you can do a virtual walk round the map and see exactly where Enumeration Book 19 covered.
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NLS have digitised the large scale 1/1250 1/2500 for 1944-1967 some of which show street numbers. Looking at Wishaw it was surveyed in 1956 and 499 Glasgow Road was located then about where ATS Euromaster Tyres is now, this is assuming that no renumbering had been carried out. As Forfarian has suggested you need to locate the address in the census and try to position it with identifiable landmarks and/or adjacent streets.
Eric
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In 1905 and 1915 it was owned by Andrew Thomson
In 1920 it was owned by Andrew MacDonald
It doesn't appear on the 1895 V.R.s
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Andrew Thomson was my 2 x great grandfather.
Thanks everyone!
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Not an easy address to pinpoint, that's for sure.
according to my 1925 Wishaw street directory, 499 Glasgow Road was part of "Belhaven View".
There were 26 separate addresses for Belhaven View. The house numbers ran from 469 to 501a. There were 10 houses with either "a" or "1/2" so part of the building(s) may have been two-story, these numbers all ran from 483 - 501, every other one had an "a" or a "1/2".
In 1925, number 499 was occupied by John Thomson, miner. He was in good company as number 469 was occupied by Thomas Winning, miner. He was quite likely the father of the late Thomas, Cardinal Winning (1925 - 2001).
Other addresses on Glasgow Road in 1925 were Marshall Place, Charlotte Place, Clyde Terrace, Oakswell, Gosforth Crescent, Norvals Port, Excelsior Place, Pretoria Place, Woodside Place, Elizabeth Terrace, Golf View, Muircroft Terrace, Mason Place, Caskie Lea Place, Stewart Crescent, Duntreath, Rosemount Place, Yenikale Place, Ethel Place, Hambleton Terrace, Cecilia Terrace, Almond Park Terrace, Traquair Place (still there) Sunnyside Bridge, Sunnyside (last two were numbered internally but we know where Sunnyside is anyway) and finally a building with a clue!
Primrose Place, Whitegates. This building was numbered 496 1/2 - 541.
So, tigger_lass, if you are familiar with the area you will know (if you are old enough) where Whitegates was. The last number in Belhaven View was 501a and the first number in Primrose Place was 541. This is confusing and I think it is simply due to sloppy work on the part of whoever compiled the directory, the numbers are all mixed-up, so we just have to do the best we can. Frew's garage, which was at the Whitegates, is listed as number 532 - 530. The gatekeeper for Whitegates lived at number 440, which was part of Woodside Place but that must have been adjacent to the gates themselves, it was a busy railway crossing so the keeper would have to have lived right there. (Perhaps this could have been opposite Frew's garage?).
The highest street number seems to be 539, which must have been as far down as the Victoria St & Glencairn Avenue part of the main street.
That's about as much as I can discover from this directory but there is an old two-story tenement building still there on that part of Glasgow Rd, opposite Excelsior Street however Google maps has that as number 684. I think the numbers may have been changed though as the entire street has altered so much over the years.
good luck!
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It was where the Orange Hall in Craigneuk stands just now.
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Well done Justjimmy, I was right with the Whitegates but on the wrong side of the road and about 100 yards further up. Not bad for a street as long as Glasgow Road.
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The attached photo shows the wee cottage just behind the bushes “the gatekeeper for Whitegates lived there” the next building is the Orange Hall where 499 would have stood and the tenements next are the odd numbers 501 to 527 Glasgow road. I don’t know the wee dogs name in front of the bushes. Lol
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Excellent picture, it's easy to forget how the street looked back then.
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Hi
New to this site but hoping anyone could help
My great grandmother was born at 32 Sunnyside, Glasgow Road, Wishaw.
Was sunnyside the name of a block of flats? Or a street name? How did it work?
Thanks.
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Hello shield_d welcome to RootsChat and Happy New Year.
32 Sunnyside would have been a tenement building, probably situated on Glasgow Road near the foot of Bridge Street, not sure which side of Glasgow Road but it would have been close to what is now King George V public park and the new hospital on one side of the street, on the other side is a petrol station (Sunnyside cottage is, I think, still there) and just a few yards from the Heathery roundabout.
In 1925 the families listed as living at No.32 were - Benson, Parker, Nichol, Brown, Hamilton, McLaughlan, Templeton, Boyd, Mauchlane, Kirk, Jeffrey, Hawthorn, O'Dyer and Reid.
Does that help in any way? If you posted some family names it may help to narrow things down.
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Thank you. That’s helpful and makes a lot of sense
The family I’m looking into is Richards, my great grandmother was born there in 1909 but by 1911 the family had moved to 405 Clyde Terrace on the same road.
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Sunnyside Cottage listed as 276 Glasgow Road
HINSHELWOOD
ROBERT
Proprietor Occupier
HOUSE SUNNYSIDE COTTAGE 276 GLASGOW ROAD WISHAW
CAMBUSNETHAN
1925
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Sunnyside showing on 1896 map
https://maps.nls.uk/view/82893069
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Thank you
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Spot on with the map Sancti, where the word "Sunnyside" is written will now be the hospital grounds and Berryhill Rows are now King George V park. I reckon the little building on its own, to the left of the word "chapel" will be Sunnyside cottage.
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The same area c1910
https://maps.nls.uk/view/82893072
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499 Glasgow Road was where the orange hall sits now. I will try and post a photo of the orange hall to the left of it behind the bushes was small cottages and to the right of it the tenements.
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That map shows you where 499 Glasgow Road was. Roughly the centre of that photo.
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499 Glasgow Rd was the first wee single story building between the Cottage and the Tenaments. I've marked where it is in this photo. The server would appear to be down so I only have this rather poor quality photo of the old buildings.
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Mostly Off Topic, but this takes me back a long time.
Between the ages of 4 and 5 I lived at 246 Glasgow Rd (I think that is the number) in Wishaw and the house was nestled in the triangle between Glasgow Road and the railroad embankment.
On the other side of the embankment, where the hospital is now, I went to the primary school that was between the embankment and the soccer fields.
The kids all had slates and a nub of chalk to write with. We were all poor, some kids came to school barefoot even in the Winter. Life is better now.
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If you were across the road from the Sunnyside row of tenements your house would have had an odd number. The wee house your talking about was 275 Glasgow Road. 246 would have been up at the Heathery bar up at the roundabout. The school was Berryhill Primary. The wee shop next to it was Alex Weir’s (the penny tray lol) Just behind that house at the bottom of the railway embankment was a wee burn with newts in it. Behind the school was the bing, behind the bing were three ponds. I think we called them the Canyon, the Fraser and the Captain. Was my playground back then. I know that area very well.
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Justjimmy, I suspect that you are correct. I know that I saw the 246 number in a document connected to my maternal grandfather William Fairbairn, but in a quick look through my files I cannot find it just now. However I did find a map with a “275??” on it so I presume you are right.
In 2008 I spent 4 weeks doing a photo-shoot around Scotland for my one and only return visit. I specifically went to Wishaw to find the old house, but it was gone! A petrol station had been built over it and then partially torn down, such is progress. And now via Google Earth I see that culture has come to Wishaw; a KFC is operating on Glasgow Road. There used to be 3 houses between the KFC and the railway bridge with my grandfather’s house being the one next to the bridge. In 2008 I wrote to a Fairbairn living in Wishaw but never got any response.
My other lasting memory of the place was a very large pot outside the front door. Each morning the contents of the chamber pots were poured into this large pot. My job was every week to scoop up some of the contents and pour it over the vegetable patch in the back garden! Memories that linger!! Still, John Higgins compensates for most of it.