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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Mariea Christoforou on Sunday 13 January 19 01:26 GMT (UK)
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Hello everyone
It's been a while since I posted a message. After purchasing the book In the wake of the Lord Melville I was able to find a lot of information about the Allen family.
I have a new search : when,if ever, did convict Samuel Beaman who was transported on the Captain Cook II in 1833 and who received a ticket of leave in 1837 and was allowed to stay in the Parramatta region, reunite with his wife Mary née Humphries from Middlesex, and their children?
Many thanks, Mariea
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Samuel BEAMAN ...
Hello everyone
It's been a while since I posted a message. After purchasing the book In the wake of the Lord Melville I was able to find a lot of information about the Allen family.
I have a new search : when,if ever, did convict Samuel Beaman who was transported on the Captain Cook II in 1833 and who received a ticket of leave in 1837 and was allowed to stay in the Parramatta region, reunite with his wife Mary née Humphries from Middlesex, and their children?
Many thanks, Mariea
Are you sure that your Samuel BEAMAN is the chap who was transported to NSW in 1833 ... there's a number of chaps named Samuel BEAMAN and I have a long list of Samuel BOWMAN chaps too...
What 19th century NSW BDM documents lead you back to the chap arriving 1833 per the Captain Cook II?
JM
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The Samuel BEAUMAN who was buried at Rookwood Cemetery 15 August 1883 is NOT the chap who was transported in 1833. The chap who was buried Rookwood 15 Aug 1883 was aged 56. Double Plot, Wesleyan, Section 3A, Row 13. He was a family man, as per the newspaper cuttings:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/111025299 Evening News 14 August 1883
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/111025299 SMH 14 August 1883 – mentions his sons Richard and George BEAMAN …. And his address : 20 Mary St, Waterloo.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13542195 SMH 17 August 1883 – sorrowing wife and family
See https://www.geni.com/people/Samuel-Beaman/6000000056580674922
I will ask one of the volunteer Global Moderators to consider hiving off your enquiry on Samuel BEAMAN into a new thread on the main Australia Board.
JM
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Reunited where?
What were Mary’s parents’ names and the names of the children?
BEAMAN Samuel Captain Cook 1833 40/0077 9 Jan 1840 Certificate of Freedom [4/4355; Reel 1005] TL 37/1483
Jamjar
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Hello Jamjar,
I don't know Mary's parents' names but Mary Humphries was born around 1795-1802? in Middlesex and appeared on the England and Wales 1841 census with sons Samuel and Richard. As I am not a subscriber to Ancestry.com I have not seen any documents to support this information. In my previous post I mentioned that Convict Samuel Beaman from Middlesex applied to be reunited with his family and a Mary Beaman (Humphries) did come to Australia with her family in 1851. I think that the Samuel Beaman buried in 1883 was the son Samuel left behind in England when convict Samuel was transported to Australia and who later came out with his mother Mary Humphries and brother Richard.
Thank you for your help.
Mariea
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There is a death notice for a Richard BEAMAN, but I can’t see a death for him on NSWBDM, 2nd column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article197978728
Jamjar
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Samuel arrived 1833, under a 7-year sentence, so he was emancipated by 1840 which is also the year that convictism effectively ceased in NSW. He would have been free to travel anywhere, and his Certificate of Freedom has been noted by Jamjar.
I have several questions,
:) Perhaps you could confirm which NSW BDM documents and/or newspaper announcements are giving you family history type information to show that Mary BEAMAN nee HUMPHRIES and her sons, Samuel and Richard came to NSW? If you have the death certs (or official transcriptions) for their deaths in NSW, what answers are recorded for the question ‘how long in the colonies’…
:) Can you please advise the name of the ship and to which colony for Mary BEAMAN and her two children, coming to Australia in 1851 …those two lads would have been adults by then so probably manifested separately … ?
:) When did the chap who arrived 1833 apply for his wife and sons to come to NSW? Convictism effectively ceased to NSW in 1840.
:) :) Is it possible she and her children came as Immigrants as part of the then general Immigration Schemes that existed in the 1840s and into the 1850s?,
:) :) If so, the passenger lists usually show their NSW relatives and/or parents and at least their own native places….
:) :) So, it is possible to check what information is recorded against the two lads … I would expect it to at least note ‘mother on board’ and that father resides at …….. in NSW.
NSW Archives here: https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/
Perhaps you have the papers for
:) Richard BEAMAN, the labourer sequested in 1907 …
:) Mary BEAMAN, the widow, late of Darlinghurst and her own deceased file/probate etc 1930
:) Samuel Charles BEAMAN, and Hannah BEAMAN … divorce/maintenance papers in 1900
Re Samuel Charles BEAMAN,
:D his NSW BDM d.c. will show his parents as Samuel and Janet. He died in 1935, and the death registered Redfern. #6099. NSW BDM online index also shows at least two others by the surname BEAMAN who had parents as Samuel and Janet/Jennet.
:D Janet BEAMAN died in 1902, her death gives her parents as Richard and Elizabeth. #3850
:) And does that d.c. show her marriage, and
:) what name recorded for her husband, and for her children and their ages … (so, if her husband was your Samuel, then this info will not include his children by Margaret Add, oops, Mary ::) my typo :-[ ).
Re Richard BEAMAN,
:) a chap by that name died in 1940 aged 85 at Marrickville. His death was registered Marrickville. #27216 From his D.C. where was he born, how long in the colonies/state.
:) Re Mary BEAMAN, nee HUMPHRIES … so there’s not just that 1930 death to consider, but I can see a burial indexed at NSWBDM for a Mary BEAMAN in 1854…. Vol 41A will be Church of England and likely there will be scant info on that Early Church Record. The index does show she was aged 52, so born circa 1802. Line 742 of Vol 41A of1854,
I will try to find spare time later this week to help further, but likely I will need some information from those questions. I have asked my husband to get out my archival boxes on my Bowman/Beaman research. The spelling variations are extensive, some caused by illiteracy, some caused by not being available for transcribing until the mid-20th Century, so worn through, ink bleeds, thumbed through, badly bound up, etc….
JM
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There is a death notice for a Richard BEAMAN, but I can’t see a death for him on NSWBDM, 2nd column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article197978728
Jamjar
I wonder if that is for Surrey Hills, in Victoria? Vic BDM has a Richard BEAMAN's death in 1892, with parents as Sam and Mary... #5010.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj
JM
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Samuel BOWEN, death in 1870 in Tasmania at aged 72
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65983694 26 Feb 1870 Cornwall Chronicle...
JM
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There is a death notice for a Richard BEAMAN, but I can’t see a death for him on NSWBDM, 2nd column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article197978728
Jamjar
I wonder if that is for Surrey Hills, in Victoria? Vic BDM has a Richard BEAMAN's death in 1892, with parents as Sam and Mary... #5010.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj
JM
I had wondered about VIC, as it is where all the TROVE hits were heading.
Can’t see his marriage, but his children:
1855 3303 BEAMAN John Charles parents Richard Ellen (Fitzgerald)
1859 6944 BEAMAN Elizth Fran ditto
Death:
1884 11957 BEAMAN Ellen Theresa parent’s Fitzgerald Jno and Margaret (Oconnell) C’WOOD, aged 68, spouse Richard BEAMAN
Death notice, 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article60620882
Richard’s funeral notice confirms it is Melbourne, last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article197009273
Jamjar
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:) many variations on Bowman/Beaman ... it is as difficult as if SMITH or JONES ... and I have ancestors using both variations ...
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTZ6-HQH : 19 April 2018 …. Samuel BEAMAN and Janet LEIPER married 28 March 1853, Presbyterian rites.
NSW BDM online, Early Church Records indexed twice as:
Vol 73C, line 2405, and as LAIPER
Vol 81, line 250, and as LEIPER
https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Documents/early-church-codes.pdf
JM
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:) many variations on Bowman/Beaman ... it is as difficult as if SMITH or JONES ... and I have ancestors using both variations ...
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTZ6-HQH : 19 April 2018 …. Samuel BEAMAN and Janet LEIPER married 28 March 1853, Presbyterian rites.
NSW BDM online, Early Church Records indexed twice as:
Vol 73C, line 2405, and as LAIPER
Vol 81, line 250, and as LEIPER
https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Documents/early-church-codes.pdf
JM
Mariea has a post re the above, JM:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=578172.msg6653967#msg6653967
Jamjar
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The marriage of sister Mary indexed twice as script uncertain ;D
58/1853 V1853158 81
LANGLEY Robert J
LEIPER Mary
At JB
2416/1853 V18532416 73C
LANGLER Robert J
LAIPER Mary
At JB
Death notice for Elizabeth, the mother of Janet and Mary.1872.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/28416261
Sue
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Some further info, and where possible I have included live links, or at least where you can seek to check out the info I am posting.
Until around Federation, the electoral rolls were based on information collected verbally by police under the authority of the Police Magistrates. Accurate spelling was not a pre-requisite.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/61322914 Empire 29 March 1853
Married … 28th instant, by special licence, by Rev Dr McGarvie … Mr Samuel BEAMAN to Miss Janet LEIPER of Sydney.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/228717649 Govt Gaz 2 June 1859 page 1222
Samuel BEAMAN, Coolangatta, farmer (that would be Coolangatta, on the Shoalhaven, where a number of the births of children to Janet and Samuel are recorded).
NSW Electoral Roll, 1870 WEST SYDNEY
Samuel BEAMAN, household, off Liverpool Street
NSW ER 1878 PADDINGTON
Samuel BEMAN, leasehold, Mary Street, Waterloo
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/111025299 14 Aug 1883 Evening News
Funeral announcements for the Samuel Beaman aged 56, Rookwood….
…. Late residence, 20 Mary Street Waterloo.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/223682878 Govt Gaz 26 Oct 1883, Probate Grant to Janet Beaman, widow of Samuel.
City of Sydney Archives have the free to search Sands Directories and the Assessment Books, ONLINE with easy search engines driving access … (just two of many among their other quality resources)
https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/history/archives
NSW State Library has Electoral Rolls covering NSW Parliament elections from commencement of representative government. https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/
NSW Parliament V & P from 1825 to current sittings are online…
https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/hansard/Pages/Comprehensive-index-to-all-parliamentary-document.aspx
JM
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Following from Sue's great find...
NSW ER 1870, THE GLEBE
Robert LANGLEY, freehold house, Foy St, Balmain.
NSW ER 1878 THE GLEBE
George LANGLEY, residence, Foy St, Balmain
Robert LANGLEY, freehold house, Foy St, Balmain
Robert J LANGLEY, residence, Foy St, Balmain
Alas, none with surname BEAMAN there in either 1870 or 78... :)
JM
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SERVANTS WANTED.-
If Samuel Beaman and his wife are still disengaged (now supposed to be residing at Parramatta),
they will hear of a situation by applying to B. C. RODD, Solicitor, Sydney.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12425758 SMH 3 Jan 1843.
So the Samuel BEAMAN at Parramatta was known to have a wife at least during 1842, and possibly in the years prior to that...
Civil registrations for marriages commence in NSW in 1856. NSW BDM's Early Church Records are not complete.
JM
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Hi Mariea
Just adding this for now until you start your new Renfrewshire post re Charles and wife Elizabeth.
There are the following details showing for children to them:
George b. 9 Jun 1828 in Kilbarchan https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTJL-8ZR
Mary b. 30 Dec 1830 in Houston and Killellan https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X131-CHM
Janet b. 26 Aug 1833 in Houston and Killellan https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X131-BB3
Family Search provides indexes - you need to be logged in to view/search on FS
Marriage/banns for Charles and Elizabeth show on 15 August 1827 in Kilbarchan.
The only source of original images for Scotland is www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Monica
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The family show in 1841 living in Linwood Village, Kilbarchan. Likely Elizabeth already a widow. The 1841 census is the most limited in terms of info.
Elizabeth Irvine 35 Cotton Spinner b Ireland
George Leper 15 Cotton Piercer
Mary Leper 13 Cotton Piercer
Janet 10
Mary Guthrie Cotton Spinner
There looks to be a number of Leper (with a number of variants) families in Lindwood Village at this time. Possible connections to George?
Freecen is good to use for census enquiries for this year www.freecen.org.uk/search_queries Make sure you tick the Name Soundex box!
Monica
PS: Just seen that there are a number of family trees for this line on Ancestry. Mostly on what happened after they arrived in Australia. You need a subscription to view these on Ancestry.
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PS: Just seen that there are a number of family trees for this line on Ancestry. Mostly on what happened after they arrived in Australia. You need a subscription to view these on Ancestry.
Wow, ::) ::)
:) one of those has '187837 people in this member tree' .... and is private !
:) another has Samuel as convicted at age 7, and arriving in NSW in 1833, but the ship departing England in 1834 ...
I cannot see any tree with Samuel with first wife as Mary and then second wife as Janet, but then again, I cannot see any tree with much supporting documentation for Janet or her mum or sister ... perhaps the tree owners are being careful with what they post online ....
Anyway, I will pause my offline searchings through my Bowman records until I hear from our OP re that sighting of Samuel Beaman with a wife at Parramatta. I am fairly confident that would be the Samuel who had been transported in 1833, and had been assigned at that time to John EYRE at Parramatta. http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/eyre-john-2033 (missionary, school master, coroner etc)
JM
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Hello JM,
Samuel Beaman convict on Captain Cook 2nd arrived NSW 1833 left a wife Mary Beaman nee Humphries and sons Samuel and Richard in Middlesex England. On arrival in 1833 he was assigned to John Eyre at Parramatta. Yes there are several Samuel Beamans but I'm trying to find out what happened to Samuel convict after he received his Certificate of Freedom in 1840. ( Samuel Beaman (son) died in 1883 NSW) and a Mary Ann Beaman died 1854 and is buried in St Stephens Church cemetery in Newtown NSW.Any information as to when convict Samuel was re-united with his family would be appreciated.Mariea
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Hello JM,
Samuel Beaman convict on Captain Cook 2nd arrived NSW 1833 left a wife Mary Beaman nee Humphries and sons Samuel and Richard in Middlesex England. On arrival in 1833 he was assigned to John Eyre at Parramatta. Yes there are several Samuel Beamans but I'm trying to find out what happened to Samuel convict after he received his Certificate of Freedom in 1840. ( Samuel Beaman (son) died in 1883 NSW) and a Mary Ann Beaman died 1854 and is buried in St Stephens Church cemetery in Newtown NSW.Any information as to when convict Samuel was re-united with his family would be appreciated.Mariea
Hi,
May I ask if your research has checked the NSW docs mentioned in my post here:
Samuel arrived 1833, under a 7-year sentence, so he was emancipated by 1840 which is also the year that convictism effectively ceased in NSW. He would have been free to travel anywhere, and his Certificate of Freedom has been noted by Jamjar.
I have several questions,
:) Perhaps you could confirm which NSW BDM documents and/or newspaper announcements are giving you family history type information to show that Mary BEAMAN nee HUMPHRIES and her sons, Samuel and Richard came to NSW? If you have the death certs (or official transcriptions) for their deaths in NSW, what answers are recorded for the question ‘how long in the colonies’…
:) Can you please advise the name of the ship and to which colony for Mary BEAMAN and her two children, coming to Australia in 1851 …those two lads would have been adults by then so probably manifested separately … ?
:) When did the chap who arrived 1833 apply for his wife and sons to come to NSW? Convictism effectively ceased to NSW in 1840.
:) :) Is it possible she and her children came as Immigrants as part of the then general Immigration Schemes that existed in the 1840s and into the 1850s?,
:) :) If so, the passenger lists usually show their NSW relatives and/or parents and at least their own native places….
:) :) So, it is possible to check what information is recorded against the two lads … I would expect it to at least note ‘mother on board’ and that father resides at …….. in NSW.
NSW Archives here: https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/
Perhaps you have the papers for
:) Richard BEAMAN, the labourer sequested in 1907 …
:) Mary BEAMAN, the widow, late of Darlinghurst and her own deceased file/probate etc 1930
:) Samuel Charles BEAMAN, and Hannah BEAMAN … divorce/maintenance papers in 1900
Re Samuel Charles BEAMAN,
:D his NSW BDM d.c. will show his parents as Samuel and Janet. He died in 1935, and the death registered Redfern. #6099. NSW BDM online index also shows at least two others by the surname BEAMAN who had parents as Samuel and Janet/Jennet.
:D Janet BEAMAN died in 1902, her death gives her parents as Richard and Elizabeth. #3850
:) And does that d.c. show her marriage, and
:) what name recorded for her husband, and for her children and their ages … (so, if her husband was your Samuel, then this info will not include his children by Margaret Add, oops, Mary ::) my typo :-[ ).
Re Richard BEAMAN,
:) a chap by that name died in 1940 aged 85 at Marrickville. His death was registered Marrickville. #27216 From his D.C. where was he born, how long in the colonies/state.
:) Re Mary BEAMAN, nee HUMPHRIES … so there’s not just that 1930 death to consider, but I can see a burial indexed at NSWBDM for a Mary BEAMAN in 1854…. Vol 41A will be Church of England and likely there will be scant info on that Early Church Record. The index does show she was aged 52, so born circa 1802. Line 742 of Vol 41A of1854,
I will try to find spare time later this week to help further, but likely I will need some information from those questions. I have asked my husband to get out my archival boxes on my Bowman/Beaman research. The spelling variations are extensive, some caused by illiteracy, some caused by not being available for transcribing until the mid-20th Century, so worn through, ink bleeds, thumbed through, badly bound up, etc….
JM
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Thank you Majm for so much information.I will look into these.Mariea C