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Hi.
Ive been searching on and off for several years now for a 1954 burial/cremation.
I'm left with one annoying question: was there a legal requirement to register a burial/cremation or could remains just be buried anywhere without a record being kept?
Happy New Year to you all.
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Where have you been searching as not all burials/ cremations are on line?
I’ve always started by finding out where the person died and their home address, as most people are buried/cremated near where they lived. Then I’ve contacted the bereavement team at the local council and asked if they can help. Most have replied quickly.
Ashes can be scattered almost anywhere I believe but burials have to be in consecrated ground or approved places.
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Hi. Many thanks for your reply.
Ive searched online: Ancestry, BMD, Family Search LGI, Local cemetery registers. She's not there.
The search is made slightly more complicated by her death certificate. Under Name and Syrname, it gives "Annie SMITH otherwise Ann Elizabeth AUSTON". She was born AUSTON.
I have searched the above sites using both names and all possible derivatives and combinations.
I have visited the West Yorkshire Archives in Leeds - she died in St.James's Hospital, Leeds and lived in Chapeltown Rd., Leeds.
I have also visited Lawnswood Cemetery, Leeds which is supposed to hold all the burial and cremation records for Leeds cemeteries. They could not match anything for 1954 under either name.
The informant was her son (surname Auston) who lived in Dumfries. I have contacted Dumfries bereavement services but, you guessed it, shes not there either.
I'm really at the most solid brick wall ever with this one and its a shame as she was my gtgrandmother.
Thanks, David.
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Hello David :)
Have you checked old newspapers for a burial/cremation announcement?
Gadget
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Its weird but I have the same problem but in the Birmingham area. I have death certificates for my grandparents and know their last addresses but cannot find their graves anywhere.
Have tried multiple online sites and also contacted the local council who confirmed that they have no records of a burial either.
No idea where to go next as we know where they died, where they loved, where their family lived etc and know they werent buried out of area. Its so frustrating!
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Have you tried crematoriums,as by the mid 1950's cremations were becoming more and more popular.
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Pretty sure the local authority should still hold the records for the crematorium.
In my own case they have no record of my grandparents which is really odd (especially as my dad remembers going to the funeral) but I know given the date its worth considering.
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Hi Gadget.
No, to be honest, I havent checked out the 'despatches'. I'll give it a go but, to be honest, she was a loner in later life and she didnt treat her children as one would really expect. She lived for fortyodd years under an alias and sailed very close to the wind on occassion. I'm not sure her passing was mourned by many so would her son have paid for an announcement? Maybe as payback for her putting him in a reform school at the age of nine while posing as his 'guardian'. Who knows, Gadget.
But I will definitely have a look online at the local press.
Thanks for that.
David.
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It is not impossible for a person to bury ashes in an existing family grave without the Church (and maybe the Cemetery) knowing about it. By doing that, the fee normally payable is avoided! (I am aware that this has actually happened!)
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Have you tried crematoriums,as by the mid 1950's cremations were becoming more and more popular.
Yes, Ive tried crems. Thanks
Its weird but I have the same problem but in the Birmingham area. I have death certificates for my grandparents and know their last addresses but cannot find their graves anywhere.
Have tried multiple online sites and also contacted the local council who confirmed that they have no records of a burial either.
No idea where to go next as we know where they died, where they loved, where their family lived etc and know they werent buried out of area. Its so frustrating!
You have my sincere condolences for the plight you are in. Mine has lasted some 6-7 years.
David
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It is not impossible for a person to bury ashes in an existing family grave without the Church (and maybe the Cemetery) knowing about it. By doing that, the fee normally payable is avoided! (I am aware that this has actually happened!)
Yes, I've come across this myself. But surely the cremation would still be recorded regardless of what happened to the ashes ?
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Just a thought.....
If she was placed in a pauper's grave, would the burial still be recorded?
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You are right of course. The Crematorium would have recorded details of the cremation.
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Just a thought.....
If she was placed in a pauper's grave, would the burial still be recorded?
Yes.
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Pretty sure the local authority should still hold the records for the crematorium.
In my own case they have no record of my grandparents which is really odd (especially as my dad remembers going to the funeral) but I know given the date its worth considering.
My 2nd cousin who lives in NZ spent years trying to find 3 graves for her family in the mid 1950's.
They died in Wembley. I finally rang the local crematorium and found all 3 there.
And yet the local council had not been able to find them each time she'd emailed.
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Unfortunately you can never rule out simple human error, where the vicar/clerk forgot to make the entry in the register.
There's a known example of that in my local churchyard, where there's a grave and headstone, and people who remember the funeral taking place, but the burial isn't in the register. This came to light when someone was recording the MIs and making a plan of the graves, but there could easily be others in earlier unmarked graves that went unrecorded.
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Just a thought.....
If she was placed in a pauper's grave, would the burial still be recorded?
Yes.
Thank you. I was hoping they would.
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Unfortunately you can never rule out simple human error, where the vicar/clerk forgot to make the entry in the register.
There's a known example of that in my local churchyard, where there's a grave and headstone, and people who remember the funeral taking place, but the burial isn't in the register. This came to light when someone was recording the MIs and making a plan of the graves, but there could easily be others in earlier unmarked graves that went unrecorded.
Unfortunately that is a possibility, ever increasing in it's likelyhood.
Either that or her son just got rid of her somewhere.
I hope its not the latter.
Thanks.
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Pretty sure the local authority should still hold the records for the crematorium.
In my own case they have no record of my grandparents which is really odd (especially as my dad remembers going to the funeral) but I know given the date its worth considering.
My 2nd cousin who lives in NZ spent years trying to find 3 graves for her family in the mid 1950's.
They died in Wembley. I finally rang the local crematorium and found all 3 there.
And yet the local council had not been able to find them each time she'd emailed.
I've searched at Lawnswood which is the Record office, cemetery and crematorium all rolled into one. But thanks for the suggestion.
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This is a good website to explore for Birmingham.
https://www.birminghamburialrecords.co.uk/
I hope this helps.
rayard.
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This is a good website to explore for Birmingham.
https://www.birminghamburialrecords.co.uk/
I hope this helps.
rayard.
Thanks - was one the first I tried but doesnt cover the right area. Have contacted bereavement services again to see if they have an update.
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As at November 2018, there were 297 crematoria in the country, of which 195 were owned and managed by local authorities and 102 were owned privately.
A list can be fund here along with the year of opening
https://www.iccm-uk.com/iccm/library/MasterFINALCrematoriaYearofopeningETC.pdf
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Hi. Many thanks for your reply.
Ive searched online: Ancestry, BMD, Family Search LGI, Local cemetery registers. She's not there.
The search is made slightly more complicated by her death certificate. Under Name and Syrname, it gives "Annie SMITH otherwise Ann Elizabeth AUSTON". She was born AUSTON.
I have searched the above sites using both names and all possible derivatives and combinations.
I have visited the West Yorkshire Archives in Leeds - she died in St.James's Hospital, Leeds and lived in Chapeltown Rd., Leeds.
I have also visited Lawnswood Cemetery, Leeds which is supposed to hold all the burial and cremation records for Leeds cemeteries. They could not match anything for 1954 under either name.
The informant was her son (surname Auston) who lived in Dumfries. I have contacted Dumfries bereavement services but, you guessed it, shes not there either.
I'm really at the most solid brick wall ever with this one and its a shame as she was my gtgrandmother.
Thanks, David.
She is buried in Harehills Cemetery. In a paupers grave. Plot U6482.
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Good find. Transcribed by Yorkshire Indexers as Annie Elizabeth Smith, aged 89. (They give the reference in the format Section U6, Grave No. 482)
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Wow, thats such a good find.
Can anyone help with mine? My gran, Clara Yates died 1942 (age 42) and grandad Leonard Yates died 1955 (age 58) and both should be under Sandwell Council; we thought they were buried in Heath Lane/Walsall Road cemetary but the local council are saying they have no record of either.
Have spoken to my dad today and confirmed last known addressess and dates etc but I just cannot find either of the graves or grave markers.
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Good find. Transcribed by Yorkshire Indexers as Annie Elizabeth Smith, aged 89. (They give the reference in the format Section U6, Grave No. 482)
Hi. Many thanks for your reply.
Ive searched online: Ancestry, BMD, Family Search LGI, Local cemetery registers. She's not there.
The search is made slightly more complicated by her death certificate. Under Name and Syrname, it gives "Annie SMITH otherwise Ann Elizabeth AUSTON". She was born AUSTON.
I have searched the above sites using both names and all possible derivatives and combinations.
I have visited the West Yorkshire Archives in Leeds - she died in St.James's Hospital, Leeds and lived in Chapeltown Rd., Leeds.
I have also visited Lawnswood Cemetery, Leeds which is supposed to hold all the burial and cremation records for Leeds cemeteries. They could not match anything for 1954 under either name.
The informant was her son (surname Auston) who lived in Dumfries. I have contacted Dumfries bereavement services but, you guessed it, shes not there either.
I'm really at the most solid brick wall ever with this one and its a shame as she was my gtgrandmother.
Thanks, David.
She is buried in Harehills Cemetery. In a paupers grave. Plot U6482.
Ben and Arthur, firstly please accept my humble apologies for not replying before now. Somehow, my notifications were not working and, to be frank, I'd somewhat lost hope of finding my gtgrandmother's final resting place so moved onto someone easier.
Its only in the past 24hrs that I had decided to give her another shot, so to speak and turned to Rootschat to carry out some revision of where I was up to.
So, it looks very much like you have found Annie for me and I thank you sincerely for that.
The record gives her age at death as 89 whereas she was in fact 83. But her d.o.b is also recorded as 1865 whereas she was born in1871. so that's the six year difference explained by a simple mistake on the d.o.b, presumably by her son who did all the necessary.
Anyway it gets me a day out in Leeds searching out the official register and finding her place of burial, presumably in among many other poor souls.
So thanks again for solving this for me. It's very much appreciated.
Regards,
David.
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Yorkshire Indexers, which I mentioned before, has now become Yorkshire Burials - https://yorkshireburials.uk/
It's now free to register, and that gives you access to all their transcriptions, photos etc. In this case, once you've found the transcript of Annie's burial you can click on the link to show other people in the grave, and a window pops up with a list of names, and below that a picture of the headstone.
There are 8 names in all, but the existence of a headstone suggests it wasn't actually a pauper's grave. In some cemeteries there were also 'common' graves, also sometimes called 'guinea' graves from the cost of burial there, where a plot contained a large number of unrelated burials but there was at least a headstone. This option appealed to families who couldn't afford a plot for their own exclusive use, and Annie's grave has every indication of being one of those.
For some cemeteries there's a plan showing where different areas/graves are, but for Harehills that's unfortunately not the case.
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Oh WOW, Arthur. That's fantastic. Having trailed through cemeteries and graveyards from Devon to Northumberland for various ancestors, I reckon I can find Annie's grave now, knowing the section and grave number and a headstone to look out for. It's only 70 miles away so I can have a full day there if necessary.
I first started looking for her over 15 years ago. I even took her death cert. to Lawnswood where they are supposed to have all the Leeds burial records but they couldn't find her. "Smith" was actually an alias (real surname AUSTON) she used to cover the fact that she'd put her own son (Edward Alexander AUSTON) in reform school. She said she was his guardian and his mother was deceased. He was in there for 7 years. It was that son who travelled from Dumfries to Leeds to bury her. I had started to wonder if he'd just dumped her body somewhere; hardly blame him.
Anyway Arthur, I owe you a debt of thanks for knocking down my one brick wall that at times seemed so solid.
Now, a trip to Harehills is called for.
Many thanks,
David.
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Image for Harehills!
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Anyway Arthur, I owe you a debt of thanks for knocking down my one brick wall that at times seemed so solid.
Not just me - it was BenRalph who found her first, and I just fleshed it out a bit.
Image for Harehills!
Wonderful - did I miss that at Yorkshire Burials, or is there another useful source you could tell us about, please?
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I believe the image is available on Genuki.
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I believe the image is available on Genuki.
There is one there, but it's not the same as BumbleB's:
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Leeds/PhotoFrames/HarehillsCemeteryPlan_MB
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Hi again, Arthur.
I wonder if you could clarify something for me: is it usual or otherwise for mistakes to be made in the cataloguing of dates for burials? I ask because of an anomaly in Annie's record.
While I'm quite happy that it is her, I wondered what the "event day" and "event month" were. I presumed they were the date of burial. If so and if it's not a mistake, I have a problem: Annie's death cert. gives her death recorded as 2 July 1954 whereas the burial record says 31 March 1954.
Surely this must be a mistake, yet all the burials in the same grave are about the same time.
Have you ever come across this kind of thing before?
Regards,
David
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I have occasionally found mistakes at Yorkshire Burials, but they have a facility for reporting them and so long as they agree, are very quick to correct them. However, in this case I think there are two Annie Smiths, so the question arises whether this is actually the right burial and grave.
Because of the number of people buried in the same grave at more or less the same time, I'm inclined to think the Harehills date is correct for that particular Annie. Note the age is given as 89, and FreeBMD has a death for an Annie E Smith in the Lower Agbrigg district in the March quarter of 1954, age 89, which fits nicely.
That means the Annie who died on 2 July 1954 must be buried somewhere else - so if you're sure that's your ancestor (and your reply #2 suggests you are), we must look for another burial. I can't do it myself just now, but do have a good search at Yorkshire Burials - I don't think they claim to have 100% coverage, but it's the best place to look for a burial in the Leeds area.
And in case anyone else wants to have a search, what was your Annie's age given as on the death certificate, what was her usual address, and where did she die?
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Arthur, I've just finished searching for another candidate in every cemetery on Yorkshire Burials to no avail. I've search under SMITH and AUSTON, consecrated and unconsecrated but nothing that fits.
I feel you are right about this one not being my Annie by virtue of age, d.o.b. and date of interment.
I've attached a copy of her death cert. in case anyone can help but just to be safe (not trusting my techy prowess), her death cert. gives her name as Annie SMITH otherwise Ann Elizabeth AUSTON, died 2nd July 1954 St,James Hospital, age 83, spinster of 134 Chapeltown Road UD, informant; E.A.Auston, 36 Cardoness St., Dumfries, registered 5th July 1954.
It's a disappointment but not unusual for Annie. It's taken over a decade to get this far. Goodness knows what she'll be doing in the '21 census when we get to see that.
Many thanks for your help.
David.
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I've now had chance to look, but I can't find anything on her either. I'm sorry that we got your hopes up, but at least you haven't made a trip to Harehills to visit the wrong grave.
I wonder if she might have had another alias? Or if there's a variant spelling that's been missed? At Yorkshire Burials I used just 'Aust', which picks up Auston, Austin, Austen etc, but I wonder if Aston/Astin/Asten etc is worth a try? Or something beginning Awst-, Ost- or even Hors-?
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I never thought of putting in just 'Aust'. I'm almost finished with putting in the full variations. Doh.
As her son registered the death and was obviously aware of her use of an alias, I can't imagine he'd give her another one? But it could have come about by mistake in spelling.
Does the law cover naming of a deceased? Could she have been buried under her alias or a derivation of her alias? Would the cemetery have to use the name on the death cert? There are still so many possibilities but at least you've saved me a trip to Harehills.....for the time being. In today's weather that would have been quite miserable.
Anyway, thanks again Arthur. I'll post any updates.
Regards, David
ps if you need any lookups or photos etc for Hull/East Riding, give me a shout.
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Any signs of an undertakers name?
Brian
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I'm afraid not, Brian. A few years ago I contacted the archivist at Jimmy's and asked him about the undertaker. However, the only information they had was the ward number where she died and what is on the death cert. He did tell me who the most commonly used undertaker was at the time and I contacted them but their records do not go back to 1954. None of the other undertakers in the area were interested in helping. I suppose there's nothing in it for them. Shame because that could've been a positive link.
Thanks again, Brian.
ps if you have any lookups or photos needed in the Hull/East Riding area, let me know.
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Death registrations are informant driven, people are registered in the name they are usually known by and can be subject to variant spellings plus wrong dates of birth and wrong places of birth after 1969.
In more recent times with computerisation, relatives have had the opportunity to list several names on a death registration.
If anyone other than me or my brothers registers my dad's death when the time comes he will most probably be given the wrong name, his birth registration name has never been used, my grandmother was told what to name him by her parents, my grandfather didn't get a look-in.
I'm sorry that local funeral directors were not more helpful. To put their spin on things they are dealing with the recently bereaved and may not have time, they may not have been in existence then, they were in business then but are not now, just ceased trading or merged with another company, their records may not go back to 1954 and if they do aren't computerised so will take some looking through.
My father has record cards going back to the 1960's, but he's no longer trading. When he sold his business in the 1980's the paper records went to the company who acquired it.
When you do find her burial, the cemetery register will most probably have details as to who conducted the funeral.
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As you seem to have exhausted burial, you should consider cremation.
There were 2 crematoria in the area, Lawnswood started in 1905 and Cottingly Hall in 1938
Maybe contact the council offices about this and in your request with all the details you have (name, date of death, address, place of death) tell them where you have already looked so they dont waste their time
https://www.leeds.gov.uk/births-deaths-and-marriages/death/bereavement-services/find-cemeteries-and-crematoria
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Do you know how long Annie had been living at 134 Chapeltown Road - or even how long she'd been in Leeds? Could she have been just passing through?
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The location AGBRIGG was mentioned briefly earlier, this covers a wide area starting in Rothwell and covers Wakefield.
Have you had a search outside the Leeds boundary towards Wakefield.
Brian
Lawnswood/Cottingley both covered in the search, no luck there.
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The location AGBRIGG was mentioned briefly earlier, this covers a wide area starting in Rothwell and covers Wakefield.
True - but that was the one who was buried at Harehills in March, who turned out not to be the one we're looking for.
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Death registrations are informant driven, people are registered in the name they are usually known by and can be subject to variant spellings plus wrong dates of birth and wrong places of birth after 1969.
In more recent times with computerisation, relatives have had the opportunity to list several names on a death registration.
If anyone other than me or my brothers registers my dad's death when the time comes he will most probably be given the wrong name, his birth registration name has never been used, my grandmother was told what to name him by her parents, my grandfather didn't get a look-in.
I'm sorry that local funeral directors were not more helpful. To put their spin on things they are dealing with the recently bereaved and may not have time, they may not have been in existence then, they were in business then but are not now, just ceased trading or merged with another company, their records may not go back to 1954 and if they do aren't computerised so will take some looking through.
My father has record cards going back to the 1960's, but he's no longer trading. When he sold his business in the 1980's the paper records went to the company who acquired it.
When you do find her burial, the cemetery register will most probably have details as to who conducted the funeral.
Hi Dawn. Thanks for youre interest and your help. I have searched Lawnswood and Cottingley Hall cremation records for Annie, under her real surname of AUSTON with alternative spellings and under her alias, SMITH, spelling variations for which are limited.
She was born in Gt.Bentley, Essex in 1871, the daughter of a wealthy farmer. She first appears in Leeds on the 1901 census, lodging in Rockingham St. already having given birth to two illegitimate children, one in Newark and one in Earsham, Norfolk. Here, in Leeds, she gave birth to her third child (father unknown), Edward Alexander Auston who was immediately placed in a 'foster home'. In 1910, she is on the 1910 Tax Valuation record as Annie E, AUSTON. But later that year she put Edward Alexander in a reform school as he was apparently out of control. However, its at this point she appears to have taken on the false identity of Annie Alexandra Smith, widow and guardian of young Edward. She further states on the reformatory entry register that it's not known if Edward's mother is alive or dead. From here she appears as Smith in the 1911 census, having taken the christian name of her firstborn child, a daughter and living in Woodbine Place, Leeds.
The trail goes cold now until her death in St.James hospital, Leeds in 1954. Her death cert. gives her address as 134 Chapeltown Rd. but I've no idea how long she had lived there.
And once again, the trail goes cold.
I've been very fortunate in having had loads of help on Rootschat for finding various past members of my family and I'm always impressed by the knowledge members hold and share.
David
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Do you know how long Annie had been living at 134 Chapeltown Road - or even how long she'd been in Leeds? Could she have been just passing through?
Hi Arthur.
Annie first appears in Leeds on the 1901 census, lodging in Rockingham St.
On the 1911 census, she's living in Woodbine Place.
Then there's a gap until her death in1954. Her death cert. gives her address as 134 Chapeltown Rd. but I've no idea how long she had been there.
David
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The location AGBRIGG was mentioned briefly earlier, this covers a wide area starting in Rothwell and covers Wakefield.
Have you had a search outside the Leeds boundary towards Wakefield.
Brian
Lawnswood/Cottingley both covered in the search, no luck there.
Hi Brian and thanks.
I think my next move has to be to widen the net to searching outside the Leeds District area.
Wakefield would probably be a good place to start although I just have a feeling she's already slipped through the net. Her son made the trip down from Dumfries, where he lived and worked as a chiropodist, to register her death and, presumably, arrange the funeral. Would there be a reason why he couldn't bury her anywhere in the Leeds District? Any reason why he had to bury her in another area? I can't think why he'd need to do that. And he had a business and a wife to get back to.
I had wondered if he'd taken her back to Dumfries to bury/cremate her closer to his home. However, some kind people did a lookup in that area and there was no sign. Having said that, I'm not sure what surname they would have searched for. Edward Alexander registered her death in both her real surname and her alias so the burial could realistically be anywhere under any name.
I'll start with Wakefield Bereavement Services in the morning.
David.
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If you can get to the British Library at Boston Spa, you could look at the electoral registers backwards from 1954 to see how long she had been living there
https://www.bl.uk/visit/reading-rooms/boston-spa
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Thinking out of the box here?
Cheaper to move cremated remains rather than move a body, so been looking under cremation only!
Problem being nothing found for cremations 1954?
Brian
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What became of the first two children? Just because Edward was the one who registered the death doesn't mean the other two weren't around and involved in some way.
I'm thinking that if we know where they were in 1954, that might be somewhere to focus on. If they need tracking down, names, dates of birth, spouses etc etc would all help.
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If you can get to the British Library at Boston Spa, you could look at the electoral registers backwards from 1954 to see how long she had been living there
https://www.bl.uk/visit/reading-rooms/boston-spa
Wow, Dawn that's a great heads up. I'll get onto that asap.
Thanks,
David
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Thinking out of the box here?
Cheaper to move cremated remains rather than move a body, so been looking under cremation only!
Problem being nothing found for cremations 1954?
Brian
I like your thinking, Brian. I'll check cremations as I search Wakefield area.
Thanks,
David
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What became of the first two children? Just because Edward was the one who registered the death doesn't mean the other two weren't around and involved in some way.
I'm thinking that if we know where they were in 1954, that might be somewhere to focus on. If they need tracking down, names, dates of birth, spouses etc etc would all help.
Good thinking, Arthur. Her first child, Constance Evelyn Asthill AUSTON, my maternal grandmother, was born in Newark 1895. She and her younger brother Francis Wentworth Asthill AUSTON, were adopted in infancy by Benjamin and Edith Bedwell of Earsham Norfolk.
Apart from a stint in the army, Francis appears to have stayed in Norfolk. My parents took me to see him back in the early 60's. I remember going but nothing else.
Constance turns up on the 1911 census, aged 16, living (shock, horror) with her mother in Woodbine Place. Here, Annie had taken in four boarders.
In 1917, Constance is living in Marsden, Huddersfield from where she married in 1919. She gave birth to my mother in 1925 after moving to Horton, Bradford. There she stayed for the rest of her life until her death in 1968.
So, in 1954, while Annie was deceased in Leeds, her eldest was in Bradford, the middle child was (I believe) in Norfolk and her youngest was in Dumfries.
Nothing was ever spoken about Annie by either my mother or my grandmother. I didn't know of her existence until I found my grandmother's birth certificate. That's when the hunt started !!
My grandmother always referred to her adoptive parents, the Bedwells, as her Mum and Dad. Their son, Hennes, died on the Somme and she always referred to him as her brother. I'll be visiting his grave in the CWGC Pozieres, in July next year.
Thinking about it, I had knowledge of Francis, but there was never a mention of another brother. I visited Scotland a couple of times with my parent but, although Edward Alexander was alive then, we never went to see him. I honestly believe my grandmother and mother had no knowledge of his existence. Yet he was the one who registered Annie's death......
It's true what they say, Arthur: you can pick your friends, you're stuck with your family.
David
ps apologies for the length of the reply.
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Don't worry about the length - it helps to have a good picture of the family.
Burial information for Bradford cemeteries is quite hard/pricey to get hold of, but I've just been wondering if Constance might have been buried in the same plot as her mother. I have some memorial transcripts for Undercliffe and Scholemoor (from Bradford FHS), which sometimes help; I couldn't see Annie in either of them, but what was Constance's surname when she died? Of course, not everyone had a memorial.
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Hi Arthur.
I visited Scholemoor Cemetery a while back. The staff there were absolutely fabulous. they showed me to Constance's unmarked grave, then went through the records to see who else, apart from my grandfather was buried there. Turns out both my grandfather and her second husband are in the grave with her.
Plot 3, Section 1975, Grave no. 988
William Henry Turner (1st husband, my grandfather) buried 1929
Arthur Bailey (2nd husband) buried 1952
Constance Evelyn Bailey (my grandmother) buried 1968
To the best of my knowledge Arthur, they are the only occupants of that grave.
Regards,
David
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OK, I'll see if anything else comes to me, but you'd better not hold your breath.
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No,Im not expecting to find her any time soon. But I really appreciate the help that you and Brian and others are giving me.
I was disappointed with the Wakefield burials website. My mother and father were both buried in the Castleford New Extension two decades ago but are not included in the online records. I'm going to have to go search their archives in person.
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Hi.
Ive been searching on and off for several years now for a 1954 burial/cremation.
I'm left with one annoying question: was there a legal requirement to register a burial/cremation or could remains just be buried anywhere without a record being kept?
Happy New Year to you all.
In asnwer to your question from 29 July 1864 it was a legal requirement to register burials performed according to the Rites of the Established Church and of all Burials in Grounds provided under the Burial Acts.
See Registration of Burials Act, 1864. tinyurl.com/2fbty98a
However some private burial and home burials escape the scope of the legislation.
Cheers
Guy
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Good morning, Guy and thanks for your reply.
Yes, I've been working on the understanding that registration of a burial was a legal requirement.
As for burial at home, her son, the informant, had travelled to Leeds from Dumfries. He'd had an horrendous upbringing so I cant believe he'd take his mother back to Scotland and bury her in his garden. Taking her ashes back following cremation, as mentioned by Brian, would make more sense but I still ask myself why would he want her near to him. However, I've made assumptions before and usually been shot down so I could well be wrong here in which case, it would be the end of the search.
Thanks again.
David