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During the Blitz my late father's family moved from Portsmouth to Taunton having been bombed out twice in ten days. His only surviving brother has always had a liking for plum jam. I gave my uncle a jar of home made jam yesterday evening and he then started telling us about his quest. This is the first time we have heard this story. It seems that he has spent the best part of seventy-seven years trying to find a plum jam like that he tasted in Taunton. It seems every type he has tried has been lacking in the special taste. He cannot remember if the Taunton jam was bought in a shop. Although he does know that it was not rationed. Needless to say we sat there speculating as to what the hidden ingredient might have been or if it was produced by the Women's Institute.
So, are there any experts around who know about cooking at this time? Or, someone who is an expert on local cooking? If so, please could you suggest what the special taste was created by?
He has a significant birthday next year. It just might make it into the cake! Thank you.
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I don't know anything about jam making, but I did live in Taunton for a couple of years, and I think we may have some members living there now.
What immediately comes to mind is something to do with apples - cider? Or just apples on their own? A brief web search finds recipes for plum and apple jam; there are also some references to cider vinegar, but I've no idea what that would do in a jam.
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It would all depend on the variety of plum used for the jam he remembers. Also could he perhaps mean damson jam? They are also known as damson plums and have a different taste.
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Thank you. We wondered if apples may have been added to the plums. Damsons sounds like a good idea and would produce a different taste.
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My mum, brought up in Lancashire, remembers jam always being "Mixed Fruit" and always rationed, so the concept of "off ration" implies to her some possible arrangement with the WI, who, I believe had extra sugar made available to deal with available fruit. The recent TV series "Wartime Farm" showed such an operation. Taunton is of course in a fruit growing area.
I understand that plums made up quite a large proportion of "mixed fruit", as they would be a big proportion by weight of the home grown fruit crops.
It is difficult to remove the stones from raw damsons. My mum never even bothered fishing them out of the jam pan after cooking. Does your uncle remember stones in the jar?
There is also a much lighter coloured type of plum, the greengage, which also makes a delicious jam, but is rarely seen in commercial quantities.
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Thank you. That is a great help. I will look at the mixed fruit option. I suspect that the jam was made up of whatever was available. As you point out plums probably made up a significant amount of the mixed fruit. I will ask about the stones.
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I don't think you would confuse plums with damsons, which are much smaller, darker and sharper in flavour than plums. Coming from an area favoured with lots of damson trees (the Lyth valley in old Westmorland) I do remember getting rather fed up with damson jam as a child, especially as the stones (apparently 80% of the fruit) were never removed before cooking. Still, that's the other end of the country and very far from Taunton. The suggestion that apples were used with plums in that mystery jam sounds likely in Somerset.
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It would all depend on the variety of plum used for the jam he remembers. Also could he perhaps mean damson jam? They are also known as damson plums and have a different taste.
Perhaps it tasted so good because it was homemade and had plums and sugar in it, not bulked up with apple purée
“Belle de Louvain” was a cooking/jam plum of that era, noted for its flavour.
3lb plums 3lbs cane sugar, half pint water, the rough peeled skin of a bramley apple.
The stones will rise to the surface when it is at setting point.
Mike
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Thank you Mike. I have also wondered if it was the homemade taste that made the difference. As they came from the centre of Portsmouth I suspect they had only tasted processed jam until then.
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How about High Dumpsie Dearie Jam -- made from Plums, pears & apples with a touch of ginger?
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The combination of apples and pears would give it a very distinctive flavour. Thank you.
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My family recipe handed down is simply damsons and caster sugar, no need for pectin etc.
The modern method uses a microwave. Remove the stalks, wash and cook about 90 fruits on full for five minutes in a large bowl.
This bursts the damsons and allows the stones to be easily removed (unless you want to fish them out of the finished jam).
Add an equal weight of caster sugar, stir and cook on full for about 20 minutes.
Transfer to clean jars. The skins make it very satisfying.
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I wonder if the jam was made from bullaces, which according to google, grow in the Taunton area. My Suffolk granny used to make bullace jam and I always thought it was made from plums. "Wild plums", I was told, but it turns out that bullaces are a kind of damson, and these were really popular for making 'plum jam' in Suffolk for - as they say - donkeys' years.
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As it was war time and some ingredients would be rationed, it might be worthwhile googling WW2 war time jam recipes, as mentioned, maybe made by the WI.
Carol
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Absolutely the BEST plum jam/jelly is made from wild beach plums [Prunus maritima] but it's hard to find even in New England where beach plums are native but restricted to sand dunes along the shore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prunus_maritima
https://newengland.com/today/food/side-dishes/pickles-preserves/beach-plum-jam-2/
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Nothing to do with Taunton, or plums - my dad (a child of the depression and WW11) once made a batch of "raspberry" jam - he got a large number of ripe tomatoes from somewhere, and made "raspberry jam" by adding sugar and raspberry cordial concentrate. Oddly, it tasted rather like raspberry jam, but the pips were a bit large.
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How about High Dumpsie Dearie Jam -- made from Plums, pears & apples with a touch of ginger?
That really does sound intriguing and I may try it out.
My OH, recently having reached a certain age, absolutely loves home-made plum jam so we search it out at farmer's markets, etc. We've recently purchased a specific plum jam, Blaisdon Plum Jam, from a small-holding in Worcestershire which is/was delicious (just looked at the jar and it's nearly empty). Smells and tastes seem to remind us of the past more than other senses, I think.
Mairmalady, have you ever made plum jam with those tough skinned imported red plums at this time of year?
Judy
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Thank you. I only by chance noticed that this thread has been picked again. I did spend sometime looking at war time recipes. I made some plum jam as Christmas presents. Unfortunately my uncle has been unwell so I have yet to receive the verdict!
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I'm sorry to hear that. Maybe your home-made jam will act as a "pick-me-up". It was a lovely thought of yours.
Judy
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Thank you. We will wait and see.