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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: saw119 on Friday 21 December 18 09:36 GMT (UK)
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I have an address entry in one of my baptism parish records as 'Pancras Place' but for the life of me I can't locate it. It's from the early 1840's. Does anyone here know where 'Pancras Place' was located?
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I have an address entry in one of my baptism parish records as 'Pancras Place' but for the life of me I can't locate it. It's from the early 1840's. Does anyone here know where 'Pancras Place' was located?
To add to the above....
...In a map of London for 1793, beyond the Spa and ad-
joining fields, appears Pancras Place and the Inoculation
Hospital, then a small building, which, with its large lawn,
faced the cross roads of BatUe Bridge, The Inoculation
from: https://archive.org/stream/saintpancraspas00millgoog/saintpancraspas00millgoog_djvu.txt
You could also scan:
https://www.oldmapsonline.org/map/harvard/10202944
...using the descriptions given above.
I don't know London though....
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If it’s the one off Tottenham Court Rd, then it doesn’t show (as named) on my Stanford’s 1862 map, but what was then Pancras St is now Capper St*. From the description in ShaunJ’s extract (“first on the left”) it may have connected Pancras St with Mortimer Market.
It’s very close to what was in 1862 University College Hospital and is now that hospital’s Macmillan Cancer Centre - not sure whether the Inoculation Hospital occupied the same site in the 18th century.
*I see that the street naming in 1861 is consistent with the Harvard maps from the 1820s.
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*I see that the street naming in 1861 is consistent with the Harvard maps from the 1820s.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ijYKvUP9GuQLrB9q5WUK6eLcOgrFwYUZ
Here is a visual from the Harvard map of the area described.....
(https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ijYKvUP9GuQLrB9q5WUK6eLcOgrFwYUZ)
no Pancras square. Is it in the white join i wonder...
Edit:
Using description in ShaunJ's post, it could also be this unnamed square that i have highlighted perhaps...
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WAOOCWfnzgERzz9vpX8VHrAX5RXZe9V0
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The one in the Tottenham Court Rd area is said to be off Pancras Street (rather than Pancras Square) which does appear on the maps. The relevant Pancras Place does not, so is likely to be a very small street or passage.
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This is the link to the Horwood map 1790s - Pancras's Place
http://www.romanticlondon.org/explore-horwoods-plan/#18/51.53166/-0.12497
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This is the link to the Horwood map 1790s - Pancras's Place
http://www.romanticlondon.org/explore-horwoods-plan/#18/51.53166/-0.12497
Ah OK, so this is the second one on the list in ShaunJ’s extract - by 1862 it was Old Pancras Rd, now York Way.
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... and this is the link for Pancras Street off Tottenham Court Road
http://www.romanticlondon.org/explore-horwoods-plan/#18/51.52236/-0.13561
... and on both of these links you can click different versions of the map using the 'layer' box in the top right corner of the map.
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Wonderful maps :)
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Wonderful maps :)
Yes, they really are.
I have the Horwood maps in book form ...
The A-Z of Regency London, The London Topographical Soc & Harry Margary, 1985. ISBN 0 902087 19 3. (Excellent maps around 1812 ... indexed and even has house numbers!.)
... but this site is now available to show them online ...
http://www.romanticlondon.org/horwoods-plan/#15/51.5150/-0.1414
I use them a lot for locating sugarhouses in London. ;)
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If it's London maps you're after I always use this site
http://mapco.net/london.htm
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Wonderful maps :)
Yes, they really are.
I have the Horwood maps in book form ...
The A-Z of Regency London, The London Topographical Soc & Harry Margary, 1985. ISBN 0 902087 19 3. (Excellent maps around 1812 ... indexed and even has house numbers!.)
... but this site is now available to show them online ...
http://www.romanticlondon.org/horwoods-plan/#15/51.5150/-0.1414
I use them a lot for locating sugarhouses in London. ;)
Oh wow, that resource looks outstanding. That's got me really excited, thank you very much!
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I use them a lot for locating sugarhouses in London. ;)
Perhaps I need to explain ...
Horwood was employed/sponsored by the Phoenix Fire Office to produce these maps. Phoenix was the fire insurance company founded by the London sugar refiners, initially for their own use. On the maps, Horwood crosshatched many of the buildings insured by Phoenix.
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Sorry for the earlier confusion ;D
From the mapco site: (some wonderful maps there!)
Pigot & Co.'s Metropolitan Guide
& Miniature Plan Of London c1820
A pic of Pancras Place (highlighted):
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1x0NWrKxWDAQxn4oaI3gq_RvLKCj_pHeU
The street listing from that map:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hSZ_D1ykmdjaRw5skFjqIEGXSGLiTrz6
Thankyou for the link @sugarbakers. Fantastic! I have never seen those.
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Sorry for the earlier confusion ;D
From the mapco site: (some wonderful maps there!)
Pigot & Co.'s Metropolitan Guide
& Miniature Plan Of London c1820
A pic of Pancras Place (highlighted):
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1x0NWrKxWDAQxn4oaI3gq_RvLKCj_pHeU
The street listing from that map:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hSZ_D1ykmdjaRw5skFjqIEGXSGLiTrz6
Thankyou for the link @sugarbakers. Fantastic! I have never seen those.
That's a good spot, thanks. Gosh it's a tiny little road, isn't it.
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That's a good spot, thanks. Gosh it's a tiny little road, isn't it.
It sure is. Blink and you'd miss it, as my dad would say!
You can just see it in the first pic i linked to....right next to the left hand side of the white join in the map - The word "pancras" on the left of the join, the word "place" on the right of the join. :D
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ijYKvUP9GuQLrB9q5WUK6eLcOgrFwYUZ
Here is a visual from the Harvard map of the area described.....
(https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ijYKvUP9GuQLrB9q5WUK6eLcOgrFwYUZ)
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This is the link to the Horwood map 1790s - Pancras's Place
http://www.romanticlondon.org/explore-horwoods-plan/#18/51.53166/-0.12497
Goodness, by overlaying the modern map you can clearly see that Pancras Pl was demolished for the building of St Pancras Station.