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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Deux Chevaux on Thursday 20 December 18 15:17 GMT (UK)
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Got a bit of a strange one here. I'm sure there are many of you who have come across this sort of thing before, but it's a slight head-scratcher.
I've been perusing the parish records of Saxthorpe in Norfolk and come across a baptism of James Pegg, son of Richard and Diana (I believe her maiden name is Armyger/Armiger), on May 13th, 1753. But on the next page, a James Pegg, son of Richard and Diana is buried on May 6th, 1753.
The only explanation is TWO couples named Richard and Diana Pegg, each with a son named James! And BOTH in the same tiny VILLAGE!! :o Or the vicar got his dates wrong. ;D
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939X-DY97-K9?i=40&wc=M62T-ZPN%3A160239801%2C160937401%2C160281502%2C160239804&cc=1824688
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Got a bit of a strange one here. I'm sure there are many of you who have come across this sort of thing before, but it's a slight head-scratcher.
I've been perusing the parish records of Saxthorpe in Norfolk and come across a baptism of James Pegg, son of Richard and Diana (I believe her maiden name is Armyger/Armiger), on May 13th, 1753. But on the next page, a James Pegg, son of Richard and Diana is buried on May 6th, 1753.
The only explanation is TWO couples named Richard and Diana Pegg, each with a son named James! And BOTH in the same tiny VILLAGE!! :o Or the vicar got his dates wrong. ;D
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939X-DY97-K9?i=40&wc=M62T-ZPN%3A160239801%2C160937401%2C160281502%2C160239804&cc=1824688
It has just dawned on me that the James baptised on the 13th was named after the one buried on the 6th! :-[ D'oh! Think I've been stuck indoors a bit too long today. I need to get some fresh air. ;D
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Just discovered the baptism of a James Pegg, parents Richard and Diana, on November 17th 1752. That's sorted then. :)
Apart from the timescale between November and May. Definitely well under nine months. ???
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Just discovered the baptism of a James Pegg, parents Richard and Diana, on November 17th 1752. That's sorted then. :)
Apart from the timescale between November and May. Definitely well under nine months. ???
The November date is for a baptism, the birth could have been many months (or even years) beforehand. :)
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Just discovered the baptism of a James Pegg, parents Richard and Diana, on November 17th 1752. That's sorted then. :)
Apart from the timescale between November and May. Definitely well under nine months. ???
The November date is for a baptism, the birth could have been many months (or even years) beforehand. :)
I have found names reused after infant deaths in my tree, while not a regular occurrence it isn't rare enough to excite comment. It can be very confusing, especially if you only find part of the chain of births and deaths.
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When I originally saw it was an Archdeacon Transcript, I did think, "Aah they may not be as accurate as the originals", but then you explained further about the earlier baptism.
The first James Pegg must have been baptised at a few months old, and the 2nd one was a few days old, if his older brother was buried on the 6th, and the 2nd James was baptised on the 13th. So Diana must have been heavily pregnant when she buried her son, then gave birth again, maybe just days later and named the baby after his brother, and quickly had him baptised.
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The November date is for a baptism, the birth could have been many months (or even years) beforehand. :)
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Ah, interesting. I was thinking the church would be very keen to get a newborn baptised ASAP, and certainly within a month. I didn't think it could have been months or even years.
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I have a case where a couple buried a son named Henry on the same day as they baptised another son in the name of Henry. And they were definitely two separate individuals.
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The November date is for a baptism, the birth could have been many months (or even years) beforehand. :)
Ah, interesting. I was thinking the church would be very keen to get a newborn baptised ASAP, and certainly within a month. I didn't think it could have been months or even years.
I have a great uncle baptised the same day as his brother and sister, they were 10yrs, 4yrs and 6 wks respectively.
Very few of my baptisms were done less than a month after birth, usually such early baptisms were quickly followed by a burial.
I have seen a baptism a few weeks before a man got married!
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I have seen a baptism a few weeks before a man got married!
If this was in the Church of England then 'The Book of Common Prayer', has this comment: "It is convenient that the new-married persons should receive the holy Communion at the time of their Marriage, or at the first opportunity after their Marriage." You had to be baptised to receive Communion, so this is why, sometimes, people got baptised before their wedding.
Stan
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3 of my g.gran's children got baptised on the same day. Aged 6, 3 and 3 months. I think it was cheaper to baptise a group of children, rather than separately. They were my half great aunts and uncle. My g.gran, after the death of her husband, set up home with my mysterious g.grandfather.
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3 of my g.gran's children got baptised on the same day. Aged 6, 3 and 3 months. I think it was cheaper to baptise a group of children, rather than separately.
The Church of England has never charged fees for Baptisms. See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=762491.msg6142037#msg6142037
The only cost would be for the family 'get together' afterwards.
Stan
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Thanks Stan.
Not sure why they waited then, although the eldest child was baptised nearly 14 months after her birth.
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That may be why baptisms can be misleading if they are only 10 years prior to a wedding date, if the person was not a baby or infant, and the age at baptism is not listed. For example a Joseph Soap married in 1750 but was baptised in 1739. And the register doe not say age at baptism, but Joe was 10 years old. It can make researchers think they are 2 different people, when all along they are the same person. Sometimes we discard entries (long distance away, dates not fitting, baptised 5 year before marrying) when they are the right ones all along.