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Hi
Could someone check at which church my GGG grandmother Ruth E Ryland from Biggleswade was married from, in Biggleswade, Beds.
She married William Mumford from London in June (?) 1851.
I would be grateful to know William's father's name and occupation also.
Thanks
Richard
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These are all the areas covered by the Biggleswade RD. Where was she living on the 1851 census?
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/biggleswade.html
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Market Hill, Biggleswade - with her parents
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Hi not with parents 1841, but stated born Ironmonger Lane in 1851 Biggleswade, looks to be in High Street, Newport Pagnell aged 15 in 1841
Census ref HO107/58 / 4/12 / 19
Keyboard86
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Reason for asking re 1851 address was to try and pinpoint the likeliest church. Marriage was June qtr 1851
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It's the very last page in Biggleswade for that quarter. That, and the fact that it's not on FamilySearch, makes it certain that it's either a non-conformist church or, more likely, Biggleswade Register Office.
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Thanks everyone.
I was hoping by finding which church I could find the marriage entry and get William's father name and occupation . Non conformist could be right for the Rylands.
I believe William's fathers name might be John and possibly he was a lace merchant which William became (I have tracked this pathway) but would like it confirmed or not about his father.
Richard
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In 1841 looks like William was working for a draper also in Newport Pagnell.
HO107/58 /4/12/19.
Tazzie
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Hi again, re John Mumford, could he have had a son James who married an Elizabeth Read on 3rd Sept 1850 City of London, St Giles Without Cripplegate as in 1851 a James Mumford occ Lace Merchant aged 33 b London is with an Elizabeth aged 27
Census ref HO107/1505/575/4
Both James/John shown as Merchant at marriage.
Keyboard86
EDIT both James & William had parents John & Christiana, William baptised at St Alban, Wood Street approx 1/3rd of a mile from Ironmonger Lane
Does not answer marriage of William but could be a clue.
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As per the Beds FHS Surnames Index CD, Ruth Edwards Ryland married in 1851 in 'Biggleswade District', as did William Mumford. This is not the Biggleswade anglican parish nor is it any other anglican parish that is within the Biggleswade Registration District. Suggests to me that it was either in the registry office or at a non-conformist church.
The detail will be found on the Biggleswade parish records CD that is available to purchase from Beds Family History Society.
Regards John
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Thanks Keyboard and John P .
I had found that connection via the 1861 Census for William and his family, as Elizabeth Mary Mumford (niece) is staying with them. She is aged 9 and her parents are James and Elizabeth Mumford - William is a lace merchant also like James. John Mumford who is married to Christiana is a conundrum.
Christiana is nee Philpott. Oral family history told me when I was a child we had a connection to Toby Philpott jugs (ha ha). So it now makes sense.
Keyboard:
I agree that St Alban church, Wood street, Cheapside for William would be a strong connection, as John Mumford's business was in Wood street.
Have you got William's dob ? William always gives his DOB as 1824 on census ?
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:-\ Something odd with 1824, as his baptism from Wood Street abode 88? Wood Street was 10th November 1816 Father John occ Lace Merchant Mother Christiana.
PS James baptism had address Goldsmith Street, so did Ann Maria 20th May 1821 and Henry 14th May 1823 Father John occ Lace Merchant Mother Christiana
1841 census:-
Christiana Mumford 45
Ann Maria 20
Henry 18
Residing Coleman Street
Census ref HO107/723/ 9/6 / 4
Keyboard86
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Hi do not know where John Mumford was in 1841, but a possible 1851 census:-
John MUNFORD 61 occ Merchant b Daventry
Christina 57 b Huntingdon
Sarah Wall 3 Visitor b Middlesex
Plus 2 Servants
Residing Manor House, Hackney
Census ref HO107/1504/103/19
Keyboard86
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Keyboard :'( And I thought I had it cracked !
I need to see the marriage cert of William and Ruth to confirm John (?) as his father. I think it is a civil registration. I shall have to go my local library tomorrow and do a look up though their Ancestry /Findmypast subscription.
Starting to think William could be a nephew or later child (named William after deceased first William) to a different mother/wife or just someone who changed his dob ? Clutching at straws - its becoming a Scandie crime drama >:(
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John Mumford is still working as a lace & sewed muslin manufacturer, at 1 Milk street Cheapside London
1843 London Post office directory
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Hi if as others believe the marriage of William to Ruth was a Civil Service, you will not find anything online?
Keyboard86
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wouldn't it be easier/cheaper for you to just to buy the marriage certificate...
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The BFHS Biggleswade CD contains a list of marriages from 1837 to 1885 but it's not transcribed from church records and simply lists the groom, bride and date. It's compiled from various sources including FreeBMD and IGI and covers St Andrew, Baptist and Wesleyan. It doesn't include Ruth and William's marriage.
The CD contains various transcriptions and records but I can't find any Rylands, other than as marriages witnesses. Not even in the Old Meeting birth records, for 1762 to 1837. Various newspaper items suggest the family had a strong connection to the church.
Newspaper items:
Bedfordshire Times and Independent
11 Oct 1859
Deaths
On the 23rd ult., at Rose Villa, Biggleswade, Mr John Ryland, aged 61, deservedly esteemed by all who knew him.
Bedfordshire Times and Independent
30 Jun 1860
John Ryland, Deceased
Notice to Creditors
- John Ryland, late of Biggleswade, died 23 Sep 1859
- Will proved 27 Dec 1859, Principal Registry
- Executor: John Benjamin Ryland, of Biggleswade; Draper
- Executor: William Mumford, of Bread Street, Cheapside, London; Lace merchant
Bedfordshire Times and Independent
14 Mar 1868
Marriages
On the 10th March (by license), at the Old Meeting House, Biggleswade, by the Rev Philip Griffiths, John Vipan, Esq, late of Sutton, in the Isle of Ely, to Mrs Eliza Ingle Ryland, widow of the late John Ryland, Esq, Biggleswade.
Biggleswade Chronicle
24 Jun 1898
Death of Mrs Vipan
- Death of Mrs Vipan
- Died at Rose Villa, Station Road; aged 96
- Born 03 Oct 1802, at Sutton, Isle of Ely
- Spent early days in Ely and later at Gamlingay
- Became member of Baptist church whilst living in Gamlingay
- Twice married
- First to John Ryland, sen, of Biggleswade
- Second to John Vipan, of Sutton, Isle of Ely
- Since living in Biggleswade, closely identified herself with church, worshipping at Old Meeting
- Retained membership at Gamlingay
- Funeral took place on Saturday
- Buried in north east corner of cemetery, near by grave of step-son, the late Mr John Ryland
- No wreaths or flowers, as per wishes of Mrs Vipan
- Coffin inscription: Eliza Ingle Vipan, died 14th Jun 1898, aged 95 years
- Mourners included a Mr John Mumford
Bedfordshire Mercury
14 Jun 1879
Deaths
June 11, at Biggleswade, John Benjamin Ryland, aged 50.
Bedfordshire Mercury
21 Jun 1879
The Late Mr Ryland
- Death and funeral of Mr J B Ryland
- Died 11th inst., aged 50
- Of Biggleswade
- Member of congregation of the Old Meeting Place but not a member of the church but dear lover of the place
- His father was not a member of the church but supporter of the cause
- Funeral took place on Wed last, at 2 o'clock
- Parish church bell began to toll at half past one
- Service conducted by Rev A P Mackenzie, current pastor of Old Meeting Place
- Former pastor of Old Meeting Place, Rev P Giffiths, unable to attend
- Rev P Giffiths was former employer of Mr Ryland
- Numerous mourners named, those in mourning coaches included a Mr John Mumford
The probate record of John Ryland names a William Mumford, of 1 Milk-street as an executor.
Probate
John Ryland, late of Biggleswade, Bedfordshire; Gentleman
died 23 Sep 1859, Biggleswade
Proved Principal Registry
Executors:
John Benjamin Ryland, of Biggleswade; Draper, son
William Mumford, of 1 Milk-street, Cheapside, City of London; Lace merchant
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=ryland&yearOfDeath=1859&page=5#calendar
And there's various other records for John Mumford at Milk Street. Seems too much of a coincidence.
Morning Post
14 Nov 1855
Deaths
Mumford - On the 11th inst., aged sixty-seven, John Mumford, Esq, of 1, Milk-street, Cheapside, and the Manor House, Shacklewell.
The National Archives
Will of John Mumford, Late Warehouseman of Milk Street Cheapside , City of London
Date: 19 Jan 1856
Ref: PROB 11/2225/298
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D51960
The National Archives have various other records for Mumfords in Cheapside.
1851 Post Office directory
1 Milk Street, Cheapside - Mumford, John, lace & sewed muslin mf
Old Bailey Proceedings:
Frederick Shackelford
Deception: fraud.
19th September 1842
Theft of goods from John Mumford, of Milk-street, Cheapside.
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18420919-name-873&div=t18420919-2737&terms=lace#highlight
James Gosbell, Edmund Smith, Frederick Shackleford.
Deception: fraud.
24th October 1842
Theft of goods from John Mumford, of Milk-street, Cheapside.
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18421024-name-1377&div=t18421024-3041&terms=lace#highlight
GRO BMD references:
1859 Q3 Death: John Ryland; age 61 (born c1798); Biggleswade; 03b; 238
1898 Q2 Death: Eliza Ingle Vipan; age 95 (born c1803); Biggleswade; 03b; 206
1855 Q4 Death: John Mumford; age 67 (born c1788); City Of London; 01c; 73
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Brilliant. :D Thank you Cuffie so much. So much stuff; especially if John is the father I shall order a copy of his will.
I am going to order a copy of the wedding cert as John P suggested as this will definitively give me Williams father and his occ.
Cheers to Keyboard for all the support.
Richard :)
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Hi again, think I have located a death in 1823, and possible birth 1824 of a William Mumford.
Death William Mumford Burial 23rd October 1823 City of London St Matthew, Friday Street in the Parish Vault aged 7 years and 5 months, address 2, Goldsmith Street, St Peter's Cheapside ( Same address as the baptisms of James/Ann Maria/Henry)
Now for a baptism that needs checking out:-
William Mumford born 26th January 1824 baptism 30th October 1825 St Mary & St Benedicts, HUNTINGDON?
Father William? Mother Christiana
Keyboard86
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TNA also have Christiana's will:
Will of Christiana Mumford, Widow of Manor House Shacklewell , Middlesex | The National Archives
Date: 14 Nov 1856
Ref: PROB 11/2242/111
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D53391
Also, Ancestry have both which'll save a few pounds. I've tried to pick out some details but I'm not good at reading this style of writing so you'll want to check them yourself.
Will of John Mumford:
- Of Milk? Street, Cheapside?, London
- Warehouseman
- Wife Christiana
- Son Henry Mumford
- Son William Mumford
- Friend? Thomas Abams?, of Nottingham
- Ann Dowson?
- Mary Dowson?
- Deceased? daughter Anna Maria Dowson?
- Son John Philpot? Mumford
- Son James Mumford
- Executors: Henry Mumford, William Mumford, Thomas Abams?
- Witnesses: Godfrey Goddard, solicitor, 101 Wood Street Cheapside; Joseph Hich?, clerk to Mr Goddard
- Proved: London, 19 Jan 1856; oaths of Henry? Mumford and William Mumford, sons
Will of Christiana Mumford:
- Of Manor House, Shacklewell, Middlesex
- Widow
- 3 children
- Daughter Sarah Steward? (Stewart?), wife of Raynham? William Steward
- Son Henry Mumford
- Son William Mumford
- Executors: Henry Mumford, Raynham? William Steward
- Witnesses: W B Lanfear?, ? ??church Lane ; Fredk. J Lee, clerk to W B Lanfear?
- Codicil:
- Sister-in-law Elizabeth Profoot?, residing in Huntingdon, widow
- Grandson Francis Forbes? Mumford Steward, son of daughter Sarah Steward
- Witnesses: Maria Maling?; Elizabeth Sidney; servants to Wm Stewart? Shackwell
- Proved: London, 14 Nov 1856; oaths of Henry Mumford, son, and Rayhham? William Steward; the executors
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Looking for Sarah Mumford & Raynham Stewart we have the following. I could be wrong about the witnesses though, it's not entirely clear.
Marriage
married: 25 Jan 1851; St Leonard and St Mary, Bromley; lic
groom: Raynham William Stewart; fa; bach; gentleman; Bromley
bride: Sarah Mumford; fa; spin; -; West Hackney, Middlesex
grooms father: Robert Stewart (dec)
brides father: John Mumford, merchant
witnesses: Jn Mumford, William Henry Orchard, R E Ryland?, Wm Mumford, Sarah? Mumford, J? Mumford
GRO BMD references:
1851 Q1 Marriage: Raynham William Stewart & Sarah Mumford; Poplar; 2; 299
1851 Q4 Birth: Isabella Sarah Vivian Stewart (mmn: Mumford); Hackney; 03; 234
1853 Q2 Birth: Frances Forbes Mumford Stewart (mmn: Mumford); Hackney; 01b; 254
1855 Q1 Birth: Arthur Vivian Stewart (mmn: Mumford); Hackney; 01b; 303
1857 Q1 Birth: Raynham Vivian Stewart (mmn: Mumford); Islington; 01b; 223
1858 Q4 Birth: Jane Granard Stewart (mmn: Mumford); Islington; 01b; 227
1860 Q1 Birth: William Greenwood Stewart (mmn: Mumford); Islington; 01b; 223
1862 Q1 Birth: Arthur Hastings Lanfear Stewart (mmn: Mumford); Islington; 01b; 224
EDIT: Corrected Raynham's surname
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Hi the Ann Maria Dowson was actually Ann Maria Howson, Ann Maria Mumford married Edmund Howson 20th August 1846 St Stephen, Coleman Street, the two Dowson ( Howson) children Ann & Mary were hers and Ann Maria Howson died aged 29 in 1850, at child birth possibly.
Keyboard86
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John Mumford & co. is listed as living / working at 2 Goldsmith street, Wood street in an 1818 commercial guide.
The Christiana Philpott is interesting as on Familysearch there two Christinanas', both christened in Hungtondon with John and Sarah as parents in 1791 and 1795. First child's death ?
A Christiana Philpott is married to both John and William Mumford senior :o
William as father to William Mumford is unexpected but his birth year matches his census replies as being 1824. He could have been born in London and taken to Huntingdon to be baptised esp if his mother is from there.
I hope the wedding cert for William jnr arrives soon ! and we can definitely find his father
Again thank you both for your help and guidance to date
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Hi again is this the Raynham William Stewart in 1851:-
Raynham Wm STEUART 25 occ Articled Clerk to Attorney b Bromley, Middx
Sarah 25 b Pentonville
Harriet Elizabeth 59 Mother/Widow occ Annuitant b Bromley
Census ref HO107/1504/486/38
If so, do wish I could locate a baptism c 1826 for Sarah Father John Mother Christiana?
Keyboard86
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Sorry Keyboard. I don't know about this . I think it's Cuffie who has picked up on this .
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Sorry Keyboard. I don't know about this . I think it's Cuffie who has picked up on this .
But if you look at the Will of Cristiana Mumford Sarah Stewart is shown as daughter?
Keyboard86
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Got it, sorry Keyboard.
Does "Findmypast" give full details on their civil marriage search - Is viewing the image, the actual certificate ?
Apologies if its an obvious question .
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:-\ Which marriage, Civil/Register Office actual images of marriages are not online
Keyboard86
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It was William Mumford's to Ruth E Ryland 1851 - thought an image meant a copy of the certificate.
I will just have to wait for the post :'(
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Hi again, in 1871 Raynham & Sarah Stewart have an Eliza Mumford 15 Niece b Middlesex, daughter by the looks of it of William & Ruth E, mmn Ryland
Sarah Mumford aged 15 Not born in County could be the Scholar at High Street, Huntingdon in 1841
Census ref HO107/455/ 4/20 / 32
Keyboard86
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Hi again, in 1871 Raynham & Sarah Stewart have an Eliza Mumford 15 Niece b Middlesex, daughter by the looks of it of William & Ruth E, mmn Ryland
Keyboard86
Eliza isn't with her parents William and Ruth in 1871 either, who are in Islington.
Ref RG10; Piece 306; Folio 35; Page 21
There is another Eliza Mumford born in Hackney c1856 but I think we can rule her out. Which means, as Keyboard has subtly pointed out, we've got a connection from William Mumford to John Mumford.
Just for completeness, I think this is the other Eliza and family, who we can rule out:
1854 Q2 Marriage: John Mumford & Elizabeth Ann Ison; Hackney; 01b; 435
1856 Q3 Birth: John Mumford (mmn: Ison); Hackney; 01b; 311
1857 Q4 Birth: Eliza Mumford (mmn: Ison); Hackney; 01b; 318
1860 Q1 Birth: Sophia Ann Mumford (mmn: Ison); Hackney; 01b; 351
1861 Q4 Birth: Elizabeth Ann Mumford (mmn: Ison); Hackney; 01b; 344
1863 Q4 Birth: John Mumford (mmn: Ison); Hackney; 01b; 353
Marriage
married: 08 May 1854; West Hackney; banns
groom: John Mumford; fa; bach; coal dealer; West Hackney
bride: Elizabeth Ann Ison; fa; spin; -; West Hackney
grooms father: John Mumford, coal dealer
brides father: James Ison, florist
witnesses: James Ison, Elizabeth Ison
1861 Census - Hackney
John and Elizabeth Ann Mumford, with daughters Eliza and Sophia (both born Homerton)
Ref RG09; Piece 160; Folio 23; Page 40
1871 Census - Hackney
Joseph and Elizabeth Fox, with granddaughters Eliza and Sophia Mumford (both born Homerton)
Ref RG10; Piece 330; Folio 63; Page 55
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As an aside, I was curious what Manor House, Shacklewell, was like and there's quite a bit to be found, including a number of images. It's quite fancy.
In the 1850s John Mumford is listed in the electoral registers at address 'Shacklewell Green, Hackney' and Manor House looks to be just off of Shacklewell Green.
OS Map 1870
https://maps.nls.uk/view/103312958#zoom=6&lat=1819&lon=9933&layers=BT
Landed families of Britain and Ireland: (122) Tyssen-Amherst (later Cecil) of Didlington Hall and Foulden Hall, Barons Amherst of Hackney
http://landedfamilies.blogspot.com/2014/05/122-tyssen-amherst-later-cecil-of.html
The Old Manor House, Hackney, 1800 . Shacklewell House, the manor... News Photo | Getty Images
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/the-old-manor-house-hackney-1800-shacklewell-house-the-news-photo/515870784
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Hi again, wondered about the John Phillpott Mumford mentioned in the Will, he was born 23rd November 1814 and baptised 12th January 1815 St Mary le Bow Father John Mother Christiana
Probate for John Phillpott Mumford Death 22nd June 1868 Southampton Probate 17th July 1868 to Henry & William the brothers of 36, Bread Street, occ Lace Merchants
Keyboard86
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:D I cannot thank you both enough, for your time - wonderful info.
I have just found this morning, after rummaging through some family papers by one of my father's cousins which I had forgotten.
"In 1878 Thomas Clarke married Eliza Mumford, daughter of William Mumford. The latter's father, John Mumford, had founded a lace business in London in 1813. The business was sold in 1870, and William Mumford, whose wife died in 1873, had soon afterwards settled in Manchester with his five children ..." written in 1953.
Cuffie - Shacklewell manor - What a gaff ! It has been down hill since that place ;D Hackney's changed a bit too .
But.....
William's birth date 1824 supported by his census declarations of being born in London - fine; and maybe his christening in Huntingdon -okay BUT naming of father as William not John.
Perhaps a mistake or another William - best ignored ? His christening records lost in the blitz ?
His mother Christiana Philpott is from Huntingdon - good; but there are two Christianas' born in Huntingdon 1790 and 1793 to John and Sarah - a second daughter renamed in memory of a lost child ?
Sorry more questions ....
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Hi Keyboard
I think you are definitely right about John Philpott Mumford.
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I had another look through the newspapers and found a number of interesting items, including the marriage announcement for William Mumford and Ruth Ryland.
And it looks like there's another son of John Mumford, Charles Cotton Mumford, died 1862 aged 41.
Herts Guardian, Agricultural Journal, and General Advertiser
17 Nov 1855
Epitome Of News
On Sunday forenoon, as Mr Mumford, of Manor House, Shacklewell, was crossing the south end of Princess-street, by the Bank, he suddenly staggered, fell, and instantly expired. He was identified by a porter in the employ of deceased sons, lace manufacturers, in Milk-street, City. Mr Mumford, who had retired from business some years ago, and was highly esteemed in the City, had for many years been a communicant at Dr Bennett's Chapel, in falcon-square, at which place the intelligence of his sudden death were received by the office-bearers - who alone were present when the information reached them - with the deepest manifestations of sorrow. The deceased gentleman left his sons' warehouse, 1 Milk-street, on Saturday night in good health, and slept at one of his son's houses in Ludgatehill, where, on Sunday, he had appointed to dine, and to meet his family and a number of friends.
Morning Chronicle
03 Sep 1856
On the 30th ult., at the Manor-house, Shacklewell, in the county of Middlesex, Christiana Mumford, relict of the late John Mumford, late of the same place, and No 1 Milk-street, Esq., in the 65th year of her age.
London Evening Standard
05 Sep 1850
Marriages
On the 3rd inst., at St Giles', Cripplegate, James, the second son of John Mumford, of Milk-street, and the Manor House, Shacklewell, in the county of Middlesex, Esq., to Elizabeth, youngest daughter of Septimus Read, Esq., of Jewin-street.
Morning Chronicle
29 Jan 1851
Married
On the 25th inst., at Bromley St Leonard's, in the county of Middlesex, Raynham William Stewart, Esq., of the same place, to Sarah, only daughter of John Mumford, Esq., of the manor House, Shacklewell, in the county of Middlesex.
Bell's New Weekly Messenger
22 Jun 1851
Marriages
On the 17th, at Biggleswade, Mr William Mumford of Milk-street, London, to Miss Ryland, of Biggleswade, Beds.
Cambridge Independent Press
15 Feb 1873
Deaths
Mumford - At 64, Mildmay Park, Stoke Newington, Ruth, wife of Mr William Mumford, and only daughter of the late Mr John Ryland, of Biggleswade, in her 46th year.
London Evening Standard
24 Dec 1853
Marriages
On the 21st inst., at St Peter's Mancroft, Norwich, Henry, fourth son of J Mumford, of the Manor House, Shacklewell, Esq., to Mary Emily, second daughter of Mr S Sendall, of the former city.
Reading Mercury
13 Sep 1862
Deaths
On the 29th ult., at Alton, Hants, Charles Cotten, fourth son of the late Mr Jno. Mumford, of No 1 Milk-street, City, and the Manor House, Shacklewell, London.
Bell's Life in London and Sporting Chronicle
19 Apr 1840
To Drapers, Milliners, &c.
To be disposed of immediately, in consequences of the proprietor declining business, an old established business in the above line, in a market town, surrounded by the most respectable neighbourhood. The premises are well situated for trade, and in good repair. Stocks and fixtures about £700 or £800. For particulars apply to Mr Mumford, No 1, Milk-street, Cheapside, London.
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Amazing information and once again Cuffie, thank you for your time and support - I am very grateful. The report about John's death and his extra son, Charles are really interesting.
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Hi again, Charles Cotton Mumford was born 30th May 1819 baptism 3rd November 1819 St Matthew, Friday Street address 2, Goldsmith Street Father John occ Lace Merchant Mother Christiana.
? Still would like to know why William shows Ironmonger Lane on census and not eg Goldsmith Street?
Keyboard86
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Hi Keyboard
Yes I had noticed the Ironmongers lane address for William.
Could have been the home address after Goldsmith St. ( it is just off Cheapside, very close to Wood st. and Goldsmiths st.) before the family moved to the manor, Shacklewell. Or he was born at a property belonging to friends or family ?
The St Mary le Bow marriages for 1814 has Christiana of the parish St.Martins Ludgate and having to have consent to marry from her father John Philpott.
Business addresses seem to have been Wood st., Milk st. and latter for the sons Bread st.
William Heskins was a business partner of John's whilst at Wood st.
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Hi Cuffie and Keyboard
Well the marriage cert for William and Ruth Ryland arrived today.
His father is confirmed as John, occ lace merchant as is William's occ. address Shacklewell, Middlesex.
Both his mother, Christiana Mumford and his married sister Sarah Stewart are present as witnesses. :D
So I need to find out why a William (?) is named as his father at the christening in Huntingdon (thanks Keyboard).
Or is there another William with a Christiana as a mother >:( unlikely.