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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Silverhawk on Friday 07 December 18 13:55 GMT (UK)
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As topic title. Working on a friend's tree and have traced a cousin branch of his mam's to Shettleston, just don't know which cemetery to look at. A long shot I know, but is there any one which is more likely for the year in question? I'm afraid I don't have a specific address.
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The closest would either be Sandymount or Tollcross Cemeteries, but Riddrie Park is also reasonably near.
Have you tried looking for a Death Announcement in the Glasgow Herald? Both the Herald and the Evening Times are online via Google Newspaper Archives, (although there's no 1912 issues for the Times) see:
Herald: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC
Times: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2mus-XyGPC0C
Anne
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The death cert. will give place of death & if not at home will give 'usual residence'.
Denomination may also have to be considered for place of burial.
Annie
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Aye, the death certificate would come in useful, though as this isn't a paid gig I'd prefer not to spend a lot of money finding out, especially as it isn't a direct line. I'm just trying to find out as much as I can using free sites and my existing subs. For this person's death, all I have is the year and registration district from the Scotland's People index. She hadn't been in Shettleston long, the 1911 census places her in Southwick (near Sunderland) before she joined her husband who was working in Glasgow. I'm coming up empty for burial matches on Wearside though, so eastern Glasgow seems reasonable. Are there any cemetery registers online for that area by any chance?
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The place of death may not necessarily be anywhere near where she lived or was buried.
It may be an idea to post the details you know as many people have access to many things or are willing to do look-ups whilst at a location?
All known details of name, surname, maiden name & age on death may get you some help as all we know is she died in Shettleston in 1912.
Annie
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I'm coming up empty for burial matches on Wearside though, so eastern Glasgow seems reasonable. Are there any cemetery registers online for that area by any chance?
Sorry, but I've never heard of a Wearside in Scotland.
Someone with more knowledge of Glasgow Burial places should hopefully be along soon.
Annie
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Sorry, but I've never heard of a Wearside in Scotland.
There isn't one. Silverhawk said that the anonymous lady who died in Shettleston in 1912 was in the 1911 census in or near Sunderland, which is on Wearside in England.
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Memento Mori, Lanarkshire has lists of burials at Sandymount Cemetery. The site also gives various other cemeteries around Glasgow. The Eastern Necropolis, (Janefield Cemetery), for instance, next to Celtic park, is less than a mile from Shettleston.
Several times, I have walked all round Sandymount trying to find a grave but it is such a huge cemetery that you really would be extremely lucky to find any particular grave without knowing which section of Sandymount it is situated in.
You could google Memento Mori, Lanarkshire anyway. When you google "Memento Mori, Lanarkshire", choose from the list that comes up, the site which simply says "Memento Mori", which should be top of the list.
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The place of death may not necessarily be anywhere near where she lived or was buried.
It may be an idea to post the details you know as many people have access to many things or are willing to do look-ups whilst at a location?
All known details of name, surname, maiden name & age on death may get you some help as all we know is she died in Shettleston in 1912.
Annie
Okay, here's as much as I have. Born Elizabeth Bowes Swinney (sometimes spelled Swiney or even Sweeney depending on the document), September 1884 in Southwick, County Durham to parents Nicholas and Isabel (nee Shotton). Lived at various addresses in Southwick. Married John Catcheside somewhere in Sunderland in 1903.
According to someone else's tree on Ancestry, John couldn't get work locally so went up to Glasgow and sent money back for the family. John, age 27, is on the Scotland's People site in their 1911 census index for Shettleston under the surname spelling Catchside. Elizabeth as forementioned was still in Southwick with their 5 kids (Elizabeth, Isabel, Margaret, Ellen and John Jr) when that census was taken. This person could not find a death for Elizabeth, but thought it was around 1912. There's the death of an Elizabeth Catcheside, age 27, recorded in Shettleston in 1912, ref no 622/2 122. As I knew Scotlands People index by maiden name as well as married name, I narrowed the search to 27 year olds who died in Shettleston in 1912 and the other name which came up (which matched the ref no) was Elizabeth Sweeney. As said, I've found Sweeney to be a common misspelling/mishearing of Swinney when researching this family.
John incidentally didn't survive her by long. He joined the 1st Battalion Cameronians when war broke out and was killed in north-east France in May 1917.
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If the children were in Glasgow area and still minors when John was killed, there might be some information in the Glasgow Poor Law records - someone would have had to look after them, and if they were in Glasgow and there were no relatives nearby the Parochial Board would have got involved.
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It's possible the children were sent back down to Wearside for Elizabeth's parents (who were both still alive) to bring up. I've found John Jr's death in Sunderland, age 18. The notice in the Sunderland Echo mentioned the cortege leaving his grandmother Mrs Swinney's house. She also submitted an acknowledgements notice a few days later. Although it's also possible John Jr just returned there when he reached adulthood.
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Hi there
looks like this could be your lady.
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Shettleston fits for the Bottle-works, still there in my time. A lot of Glasgow glassmakers were English or Irish.
Skoosh.
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I used to work in a fish factory next to a bottle works in Shettleston, away back in the 1970's. It was in Old Shettleston Road, which is parallel to Shettleston's busiest street, which is Shettleston Road. Vesalius Street is one of the side roads running off Shettleston Road, and isn't far from the Bottle Factory. I am not sure if it still exists. I was in its canteen once.
In fact, Vasalius Street runs from Shettleston Road to Old Shettleston Road
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Was that Unkles, Doddsie? I more familiar with the Drum, so were the bottlemakers! ;D
Skoosh.
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Gosh!!! Somebody remembers Uncles. They changed their name to Scofisco and then closed down around 1978. We were all made redundant. What a place that was! I loved it though!
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United Glass (UGB) works was located adjacent to the railway just to the west of Shettleston Station.
I think the works went under the name "NORTH BRITISH BOTTLE WORKS, SHETTLESTON", and was eventually closed down in 1983.
The following link is to a photograph of the works on "Canmore" (https://canmore.org.uk/collection/603709 (https://canmore.org.uk/collection/603709))
Istrice
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Elizabeth Catchside was interred into Sandymount Cemetery on 14th April 1912 into Section M Lair 600. I believe this may have been common ground at this Cemetery.
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Great! Thank you, maggbill and crawfordtree, this has helped a lot. :)
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I'm sure section M in Sandymount mostly has headstones. I can have a look for you next time I'm there :)
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That would be good of you, samsubuco, thank you.