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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: JeannieR on Tuesday 20 November 18 23:44 GMT (UK)
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Hi There
I have to admit total defeat !!
I have the marriage of Eliza STRUGEON to Michael Culkin on 20th January 1878, but I cannot find any marriage for her parents, Robert Strudgeon (he died 5th December 1881 age 46 ) and Ann Dunbar, born c1841, I Have tried every variation of names I can think of.
It would also be nice if I can find their births too. To get back one generation would be super.....
In 1901 Anne was living with the Culkins, and also in 1911 at Carrower, Sallymount, Mayo.
Many Thanks
JeannieR
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Where did Eliza and Michael marry?
When was Eliza born?
Did she have older siblings?
Religion?
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Civil Reg Marriage results for Michael Culkin from 1878 to 1878
No results found.
So....where did you find it?
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Birth, Marriage and Death results for Strugeon
No results found.
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Party 1 Name PATT CULKIN
Party 2 Name ELIZABETH STRUDGEON
Date of Event 20 February 1879
None for a Michael Culkin
No point in posting a Link to this as he is not your Michael.
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I can only see the same one as Hallmark.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11060/8046229.pdf
Elizabeth’s father is Robert.
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Wrong Name and Month so probably a coincidence!
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I doubt it ;)
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Parish records too late for baptisms of Elizabeth and her husband
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0118
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Wrong Name and Month so probably a coincidence!
Here is the parish record for Michael Culkin and Elizabeth - 20th February 1879
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632287#page/4/mode/1up
The witnesses are the same as civil record -there is an Elizabeth Strudgeon is a witness :-\
Perhaps an error in civil record re name but not date
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Yes there are 2 one made her mark and the other signed her name if I remember correctly
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Jeannie,
Where do you have Anne’s maiden name as Dunbar?
There is a birth here for Anne Strogen, Carrower with parents Robert and Anne Hennigan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03592/2324020.pdf
There are other births with the same parents. Would this Robert be a brother to your Elizabeth?
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There is
Culkin Elizabeth 48 Female
and
Strogen Nancy 86 Female Sister in Law Roman Catholic Co Mayo - Cannot read and write - Widow
she is 38 years older than Elizabeth so how can she be a Sister in Law??
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Sallymount/Corrower/701187/
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Jeannie,
Where do you have Anne’s maiden name as Dunbar?
There is a birth here for Anne Strogen, Carrower with parents Robert and Anne Hennigan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03592/2324020.pdf
There are other births with the same parents. Would this Robert be a brother to your Elizabeth?
;D ;D It's beginning to get confusing!
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The census form does say Mother in Law.
Confusing - yes ;)
Here is a 1915 death for Anne Strogen 55yrs widow - informant Michael Calpin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05257/4457749.pdf
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my personal opinion is that they are the family of Robert Strogen and Anne Henigan
Robert's death in 1881 gives Anne as informant underneath him is the death of Thomas age 26 most likely a son same informant and address
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06419/4843662.pdf
Anne is 60 in 1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Sallymount/Carrower/1573276/
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I agree dathai that looks most likely.
However, Jeannie has Ann Dunbar.
I have seen a published tree for the family here but I have some queries.
Griffiths Valuation shows
Robert Strudgeon, Cartron, Attymass
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/mayo/attymass.htm
Also this which is in the published tree with Ann Dunbar as mother)
Robert Strogen, Foxford, School,Street.
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/mayo/toomore.htm
The address on Elizabeth’s marriage is Cartron.
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https://www.irelandxo.com/ireland/armagh/loughgall/message-board/researching-ancestor-loughgall-abt-1795-toomore-co
Why Armagh?? ???
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http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=208
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"..... sister-in-law Kathleen Stogen (now Finnerty) still lives on their family homestead, her gg grandfather was Charles Strogen and his father was Thomas Strogen listed for 1834 Tithes...."
https://www.ancestry.com/boards/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=2212&p=localities.britisles.ireland.may.general
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Killeen Old Graveyard Headstones
http://goldenlangan.com/graves-kn/STROGEN,%20Bridget%201946,%20Patrick%201957,%20Charles%201990,%20KN.JPG
http://goldenlangan.com/graves-kn/STROGEN,%20Katie%202006,%20KN.JPG
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Killeen Old Graveyard Headstones
http://goldenlangan.com/graves-kn/CULKIN,%20Annie%201930,%20Thomas%201972,%20(GAUGHAN)%20KN.JPG
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Strogens still around.....
*** , he was born on the 17th of May 1965. He married on the 4th of June 1988 K S Attymass. They were married in St. Joseph’s church, Attymass by Fr. Lamb. The witnesses to the marriage N F and M (nee Strogen)
http://irlandes68.tripod.com/id13.html
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Yes, but are there two families?
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Well it's an unusual Surname and with so much confusion about names dates and no sources given I don't know....
Living descendants in area might know family history??
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Best wait for Jeannie.
It is just the possibility of two Roberts and the Dunbar/Heneghan that I wonder about.
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OK....will go to Barbados for a month! ;D
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OK....will go to Barbados for a month! ;D
Well I’ll volunteer to go to Mayo ;)
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WOW
What can I say. As Always Rootschat comes up trumps.
I am afraid you have all given me so much info etc. I cannot take it all in, so I am going to print it all off to study.
Here is what I am sure off.....
The 1901 and 1911 census' are correct for the Culkin family. I have traced them from their daughter Ellen, born 13/12/1896 and this is the date of birth she gave in Yorkshire on the 1939 Register (I am doing this for a Christmas gift, for her great great grandson, born in May )
I have Michael Culkin and Eliza Strogen's marriage 20/02/1878 from the rootsireland website It took place in the Parish of Attymass, Mayo.
Hallmark...
You ask where I got the surname Dunbar, for Anna, and I have to admit, it came from a family tree, built on A*******. I Always check this kind of information. After doing this for 4 days I realised that someone was very wrong in their research....and I did not know where to start again, my head was in a whirl.
Now ,thanks to everyone, I can get it together again
Many Many Thanks everyone.I will now look properly at your replies,and start again......
It is getting so close to Christmas now,and I do want to get this tree finished and printed.
JeannieR
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Hallmark...
You ask where I got the surname Dunbar, for Anna, and I have to admit, it came from a family tree, built on A*******. I Always check this kind of information. After doing this for 4 days I realised that someone was very wrong in their research....and I did not know where to start again, my head was in a whirl.
It is getting so close to Christmas now,and I do want to get this tree finished and printed.
JeannieR
:o
Well my advice is to keep your tree Private if you have it online.... Stops others from taking your tree and "adding" to it
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Hallmark
I totally agree with you. I do have a very extensive tree, and it is public. People have added my tree to theirs, regardless. However, I have been contacted by quite a few people, who have turned out to be descendants of my great grandparents, and I have gleaned a lot from them, so it has worked really well for me. I have worked so hard at my research, in the early days I could not have even got of the ground without Rootschat. My parents divorced when I was 3 years old,and I never knew any grandparents, so I am very proud of what I have achieved. If I am not certain though,it do's not get added to my tree.
I am still working on everyone's input, for which I am very grateful. I THINK I have made a break through......
Many Thanks
JeannieR
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Hallmark
Thank you again !!
The link you sent me of the gravestone of Annie Culkin , wife of Thomas, mentions the name of Pat and Ellen Gaughan of Keighley. It is their great, great, grandson I am doing this for. A very, very special baby. His parents will be thrilled, especially his dad.
Brilliant
Thank you
JeannieR
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Hallmark
Thank you again !!
The link you sent me of the gravestone of Annie Culkin , wife of Thomas, mentions the name of Pat and Ellen Gaughan of Keighley. It is their great, great, grandson I am doing this for. A very, very special baby. His parents will be thrilled, especially his dad.
Brilliant
Thank you
JeannieR
Credit goes to people who took photos and run Website!
I just posted a Link.
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Hallmark
I totally agree with you. I do have a very extensive tree, and it is public. People have added my tree to theirs, regardless. However, I have been contacted by quite a few people, who have turned out to be descendants of my great grandparents, and I have gleaned a lot from them, so it has worked really well for me. I have worked so hard at my research, in the early days I could not have even got of the ground without Rootschat. My parents divorced when I was 3 years old,and I never knew any grandparents, so I am very proud of what I have achieved. If I am not certain though,it do's not get added to my tree.
I am still working on everyone's input, for which I am very grateful. I THINK I have made a break through......
Many Thanks
JeannieR
You can make it Private but findable, which means others get Hints but tree can not be taken!
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What do you think of these
John Strogen of Thomas Strogen and Mary Jordan of Boyhollagh 1876 note informant Catherine Strogen of Cartron (parents marriage not found )
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03040/2114374.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Attymass_East/Boyhollagh/1571006/
1911 married 37 yrs
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Attymass_East/Boyhollagh/698941/
Sarah Culkin to Michael Henry 1908 witness Catherine Strogen
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10011/5640944.pdf
Pension search 1917 in care of Michael Culkin
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246696/007246696_00582.pdf
she's not obvious on census
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Hi all,
My name is Lauren Strogen, I'm 25 and I live in Ballina, Co. Mayo where all the Strogens are based (now and years ago).
I do not have any extra info that you cannot already find on irish census and record sites.
BUT
I've been researching my family tree for 6 years now. I've hit a complete dead end. There were so many brothers named Thomas, Charles, Robert who all had children with the names Thomas, Charles, Robert, etc. They also married women with the same names e.g. Mary, Ann.
This makes it near impossible to distinguish between the families and who married who etc.
If you would like to contact me and I can pass on any information that I do have. I know of Robert and Annie Dunbar and I am sure that I have information on them somewhere. I remember it took me days upon days to figure out the right Robert and it turns out certain records were wrong with their information.
I hope I can help, even though I am a year late 😂
Warm regards.