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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: Mystorian on Monday 19 November 18 04:05 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I have been seeking records for this parish for the period early 1700s to 1760. Unfortunately all that is available online is outside of this time frame or for non-conformist records only. I can't get to The Hive, which has them on microfilm. Is anyone able to access these?
I am looking for the surname Green, more particularly Mary Green born circa 1732-1748. She married at St Thomas Dudley on 25 August 1767 and was of this parish.
Any help gratefully received.
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I note on family search the following:
Mary Green baptised 8 November 1747 Dudley, parents James & Sarah.
Like may sites it is recorded incorrectly as Staffordshire.
Colin
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I have found some county references very puzzling on what should be straight forward transcriptions so it's not surprising they can't come to terms with the complexities of Dudley (parts in Worcestershire others in Staffs, then later town going over to Staffs but parish church St Thomas staying in Worcester and to top it all becoming West Midlands) :o ;D ;D ;D
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also checking before going to the archives whether you need Dudley or west brom archives. Also trying find where some relatives are buried who lived in the Smethwick and handsworth areas.
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Did your Mary marry John Pearson?
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Thank you all so much!
I can't get to the UK at all so this is most helpful.
Mary married Benjamin Lakin (he was from Tamworth Staffordshire).
I see why this is problematic, I hadn't realised the county boundaries near Dudley. According to what I have found online the records should be at The Hive but not showing up in digitised collections for that parish.
I am really hoping to find Mary's family. Having a common name makes this a lot harder than it has been to find Benjamin's family. Benjamin was born in 1735, and their four children were born between 1769-1781 (baptised at Cole Hill Presbyterian which falls into Warwickshire records, though they are often recorded as being of Tamworth - another place which appears to straddle two counties).
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HI Mystorian
As I shall be going to Worcestershire for Christmas I have taken pity on you & will have a go at doing your look up at the HIVE so the result will be taken from one of the films of the Parish registers for Dudley St Thomas.
This is what I will look for in that parish - the Bap of Mary Green who may be the daughter of James & Sarah 1730 - 1750
The marriage of Benjamin Lakin & Mary Green 25AUG1767
& if there is time I may see what else I can find.
All the very best
Phil (born Worcester City nearly 75 years ago)
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think I've seen the actual registers at Dudley archives.
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Thank you Phil I will happily accept any pity you have for me! I do hope Mary or her family can be easily found in the St Thomas records. Her husband Benjamin comes from a respectable family, with links to the Lakins of Hall End. I'm not sure how well he fared though as there is no will. His brother Thomas seemed to have done well for himself and being without heirs he provided for much of his extended family.
Thanks once again, your kindness is greatly appreciated.
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Hi There
When you say there was no will left where exactly did you look for one as his probate may have been Birmingham as he was from Walls End & could well of had family there who the probate could have been granted to
All the very best
Phil
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Hello Phil,
I've searched all probate records available through Ancestry and Find My Past, and the National Archives, and found nothing for him. While he was related to the Hall End Lakin's I think he may have been a 'poorer cousin'. It was his sister Mary who married into that family (married James Lakin in 1747). His older brother Thomas seems to have been very successful, as his will is extensive and he leaves considerable assets and money to his nephews and nieces, including Benjamin's children. My thought was that Benjamin's family connections would have meant a good marriage, so Mary (Green) may have come from a good background. One can only guess.
Thanks for your suggestion. Perhaps there is a will out there somewhere for him, just not in online records.
Kelly.
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Hi Kelly
The first thing I did was look for the marriage & here is the full entry
Page53 25AUG1767
Benjamin Lakin (B) of Tamwoth = Mary Green (S) of the parish of Dudley
Curate J. Cartwright
Wits - Thos Bolton, Mary Bolton, Sam Hodgetts
So far this is all I've been able to find in Dudley st Thomas & have made an 4 hour search
21MAY1747 Sarah d/o Joseph/Ann GREEN
26SEP1748 John s/o " / " "
9DEC1739 Benjamin s/o " / " "
8OCT1747 Mary d/o James/Sarah "
19MAR1748 Saml s/o " / " "
11AUG1740 William William s/o John/Frances GREEN
16JUL1735 Mary d/o " / " "
5NOV1738 Joseph s/o Joseph/Mary "
3JUN1734 Benjamin s/o " / " "
23DEC1746 James GREEN = Sarah WOODALL by Banns Page 247
I hope this may prove to be some help to you
All the very best
Phil
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Hi Again Kelly
I forgot to put this on yesterday - I also looked at the will index books at the HIVE but could find no mention of there being a will in Worcestershire for Benjamin nor could I find an MI for Benjamin or Mary so I wonder if when they were married did they possibly move to Benjamin's home town, its food for thought isnt it & you may find a Will in Birmingham Central library or Warwickshire record office but I can't help with that sorry
All the very best
Phil
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Hello Phil,
Thank you for spending the time at The Hive, I am most grateful to you. I will keep these in my records and hopefully I can find a way to make a positive link with Mary.
Benjamin did return to Tamworth with Mary at some stage, though there is no baptism there for their eldest daughter Elizabeth (my ancestor) there are records for subsequent children.
Thanks once again,
Kelly.
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Hi Kelly
I should be going to the HIVE again on Tuesday so will have another look at the registers for St Thomas starting soon after the marriage of Benjamin Lakin & Elizabeth to see if I can find the baptism for your Elizabeth there C 1768 & iff found will see if there are any more baptisms for their children there.
All the very best
Phil
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Hello Phil,
You are so very kind, thank you.
Benjamin was a non-conformist and his family in Tamworth were associated with the Cole Hill Presbyterian church. Benjamin and Mary's first child baptised in Tamworth was Ann in 1775, followed by Thomas 1779 and Mary 1781. There may be others between 1768-1775 but not at any church in Tamworth. The eldest (that I know of), Elizabeth, was born about 1769.
As Benjamin and Mary married at St Thomas it is quite possible children were baptised there. I suppose when they went back to Benjamin's hometown they decided on joining the Presbyterian congregation to which the wider Lakin family belonged.
Thanks again,
Kelly.
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Hi Kelly
I made my last visit to the HIVE this holiday & searched the registers of Dudley St Thomas from the year Benjamin & Mary were married till 3 years arter the event but was unable to find any baptisms for their children & would have thought that one would have shown up by the end of 1801 so came to the conclusion that they just got married at St Thomas & may well have lived in another of the Dudley parishes for a while - unfortunately very few parishes have their records lodged at the HIVE but I believe that a full set of Dudley parish registers are held at Dudley Library so wonder if its worth you contacting them for a look up but I don't know what they would charge for this so would advise you firstly to put another look up request on Roots Chat pages heading Is anyone planning to visit Dudley Library as I would love a look up there (or something like that). I wish I could be more help to you but I plan to travel home on Sunday & wont be in the county of my birth again till April all being well.
Good luck with your research & I hope you find the children of Benjamin & Mary
All the very best
Phil
ps please excuse any errors as I didn't check through this posting before sending it
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Hi Kelly
I just had a thought & as I should be coming up to Worcestershire again in APR I can have a look at the non com registers for Dudley that I hope are held at the HIVE but could you please remind me of this early in April as my memory isn't what it use to be as I've been using it for 75 years :)
All the very best
Phil
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Hello Phil,
I am overwhelmed by your kindness, thank you very much for all of your time.
If I were in England I would buy you a cup of tea and cake!
Thanks for all of your suggestions too, which I will try.
Best wishes,
Kelly.
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Hi Kelly
Just to let you know that I shall be traveling to Worcestershire on 8th APR to stay for a few weeks & hope to pay a few visits to the HIVE during that time so have made a note to look at the non conformist records in the hope that I can find the baptisms of the children of Benjamin & Mary but of course if the couple moved to Benjamin's home town I wont have access to the records of that county so keep your fingers crossed just as I'm doing :)
All the very best
Phil
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Hi Kelly
After having a bit of trouble finding it I checked the on line catalogue of the HIVE's holdings & can see they should hold the following Presbyterian records for Dudley
Baptisms 1800 - 1837
Christenings 1743 - 1837 (with some gaps)
Burials 1829 - 1837
So it looks as if I may be in luck if Benjamin & Mary stayed in Dudley to raise their family & Benjamin persuaded Mary to become a Presbyterian
All the very best
Phil
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Hi Kelly
I located the film that has Dudley Presbyterian records on(with some gaps) & loaded it on a film reader but I have to admit that I was unable to to follow it as the parishes that are on the film seeded such a job to find & I had to give up looking for these Dudley records & I have to say that Im so very sorry as I hate letting people down.
All the very best
Phil
ps I hope that someone else going to the HIVE reads this & takes pity on you so keep your fingers crossed for that
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Hi Kelly
Ive managed to locate the Presbyterian records on the film I was having a moan about but could only find 4 entries prior to 1800 but I will double check these records on my next holiday which will be in August all being well
All the very best
Phil
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Hi Kelly
As My train was cancelled at the last minute on Sunday I'll be a week later returning home so went to the Hive again on Tuesday & have checked the non conformist registers for Dudley but can find no sign of the children for Benjamin/Mary Lakin so would think they either moved to another part of the county or back to Benjamin's home town
All the very best
Phil