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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Laois (Queens) => Topic started by: campsie22 on Friday 09 November 18 10:47 GMT (UK)
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Please can anyone help me. I am trying to find the Irish connection in my family. My late father used to talk about going on holiday to his grandparents farm in Crettyard as a boy (he was born in Scotland in 1908) and that his cousin was Pat Delaney (who was a footballer). All I've got to go on is a marriage certificate for my grandparents who married in Scotland after leaving Ireland. My grandmother was Elisa Condron and she married William Weir in 1901. I think my great grandmother was Elisa Delaney who married a Condron. I'm 69 now and I would love to pass on the Irish connection to my grandchildren so any help would be very much appreciated.
Thank you.
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https://rip.ie/death-notice/james-delaney-crettyard-carlow/338124
https://rip.ie/death-notice/tom-delaney-crettyard-carlow/170951
https://rip.ie/death-notice/jack-delaney-crettyard-laois/335308
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C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Delaney of Castlecomer
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mzr/
You are better off studying them at your leisure as you might recognize other names etc and can return as and when you need when new names are found etc.
Not all have Images yet.
You can also select marriages etc and time frame from list on left.
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Toolkit Top Tip
Don't ignore siblings!
Once your Irish genealogy project is underway, be sure to include the brothers and sisters of your direct ancestors.
as per https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-family-history.html
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Shrink link not working!!
You have 1911 Census too
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1911&surname=Delaney&exact=&firstname=&county19011911=Queen%27s+Co.&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&search=Search&sort=townlandSort&pageSize=100&houseNumber=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumberDiv=&protNumber=&parish=&barony=&yearsMarried=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familyId=&ageInMonths=&pager.offset=500
from these you can look for Births, etc etc on other Link
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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All I've got to go on is a marriage certificate for my grandparents who married in Scotland after leaving Ireland. My grandmother was Elisa Condron and she married William Weir in 1901.
What information is the on the marriage cert about their fathers, when (even approx) were the Elisa and William born?
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possible Eliza Condron 1872 father John a Miner
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03260/2194759.pdf
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this appears to be that family in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Newtown/Clonbrock/1646117/
daughter Alica born 1885
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02623/1968239.pdf
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Hi, I would like to thank all of you for your information and links to follow up. I am amazed at the information found. I think my family are the Condrons who lived at Clonbrock and Doonane. My great grandfather John Condron was a miner and he married Eliza Delaney and I think they had eight children that I know of so far. When I think that only yesterday I was about to give up looking and this site was my last chance and now you have found them for me I can't tell you how happy I am.
Very much appreciated.
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Strangely i cant find any trace of that family in 1911 and to note that Eliza snr say's she is still married and there does not appear to be any marriages between 1901 and 1911 for their children, so i would look at the 1911 census for Scotland to see if they too went there.
Sorry i dont have access to Scottish Census.
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Enjoy!
There is a lot of stuff online so once you find your way around the Civil Registers you can work forward, back in time....and sideways adding siblings etc at your leisure.
Much better than having a few "bits" posted for you.
Depending on how far you want to go back...the RC Church Registers are also online free but for now you would be better sticking with the Civil Registers and building them up there, but up to you.
Also...an update is due "soon" for Civil Registers!!
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Forgot to say....
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Newtown/Clonbrock/
House return No.4 says Conaron but I'm 99% sure it is Codron!
Are the different Condron's related?? You can investigate that via Civil Registers if you want.. ;D
as on 1911 census they show Years Married when you click on Show all information box.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Newtown/Clonbrock/
do not mind the numbers.....that is the order they were done as enumerator needed to keep count of Forms!!
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Hi, I would like to thank all of you for your information and links to follow up. I am amazed at the information found. I think my family are the Condrons who lived at Clonbrock and Doonane. My great grandfather John Condron was a miner and he married Eliza Delaney and I think they had eight children that I know of so far. When I think that only yesterday I was about to give up looking and this site was my last chance and now you have found them for me I can't tell you how happy I am.
Very much appreciated.
Just to be clear Elisa Condron's parents are John Condron and Eliza Delaney. Yes?
Does the marriage cert to William Weir give and occupation for John.
Just want you to go one step at a time, it's too easy to get lost in lots of records.
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0715 Ballyragget would be the Church Registers.
Once you know who you are looking for!
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Married Oct 6th 1867 John Condren to Eliza Delaney
witness's John Moore and Mary Delaney, Clonbrook
no other details given
right hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634507#page/136/mode/1up
you can get their fathers names and occupations from the civil cert
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mzz/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n00/
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Thanks again, I have a lot to go through tomorrow.
In reply to Dathai, Yes my grandmother Eliza Condron and William Weir were married in Scotland and her parents were John Condron and Eliza Condron nee Delaney. John Condron according to the Eliza and William marriage certificate was a coalminer living at Doonane.
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Working from Census back in time you can look for each one on Civil Reg link posted step by step.
If you are Searching.....from the List on Civil Reg, it is much quicker if you Right Click on a name and select Open in New Tab......even on 4 or 5 names, then you can check each one rather than having to return to list after checking just 1.
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Fathers names Patt Condron and Martin Delaney
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGY7-CLH2
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Hi. Well I have been having a good search through the records. I now can trace back to my great great grandparents. I have their names but can't trace back any further. Dathai you were right Eliza Condron senior and family did move to Scotland. John Condron must have been there in 1901 looking for employment and a home for the family. I can now picture my family in Crettyard along with all the siblings. Now I have to get all my bits and pieces of information in order. I am a very happy person thank you all.
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Yes, it does take a bit of time to line them all up! ;D
At least, by doing them yourself you learn how to Search etc and can add siblings, their Marriages, children etc as much as you want over time and can doodle on a winter's day etc looking at your leisure.
Plus, if you are ever visiting, bring copies of tree as you probably have information they don't have!
We all get stuck when records run dry and there is always here where you can ask if stuck!
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Now that you have Names, Dates etc....there are also Wills you can check
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n3h/ Delaney
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Hello, I'm stuck with my great, great grandmothers maiden name and I'm looking for help please. According to her death certificate(in Scotland) her parents were Martin Delaney and Eliza Delaney maiden name Rennie. I've been searching the records and can't find any connection to Delaney-Rennie. Rennie seems to be mostly in Northern Ireland. What I have found in the parish records for Ballyraggat is a baptism in 1850 for a Eliza Delaney whose parents are Martin Delaney and Eliza ? looks like Freany or franey. There's also two more records in 1853 and 1860 with the same parents, again the mothers maiden name looks like Freney or Franey, could they all be siblings?
So I was thinking if the name Freany, Freney could sound like Rennie in Scotland and therefore entered in the death certificate as Rennie.
Any help would be very much appreciated.
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Hello, re my last post. Apologies as I got the Parish wrong. It's Mayo and Doonane parish records and all I'm looking for is some to confirm that the name of Eliza Delaneys mother is Franey, Freaney or Freney. Baptism record of 13/5/1850 .
Any help would be very much appreciated.
Thank you.
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Not convinced it begins with an F, think it might be a T
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634507#page/34/mode/1up
You need to check out if there are examples of F's in the same hand in the register.
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Thank you Sinann for responding to my message. You could be right about it being a T. I think the name could be Treary. I had a look at an image of a death certificate for a Treary and it does look like it. I also looked at the parish records and sometimes it looks like a T or F.
I am totally confused now, maybe that is not my great grandmothers baptism record and I should be looking for a Rennie after all. Maybe some records just aren't there, but I will keep looking.
Thank you again
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The one opposite is obviously Farrell, so I make yours to be F also Freany
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Thank you hallmark. I am hoping that it is and F. When I checked the other possible siblings again it definitely looks like an F. Now I have to find out about the sounding of Rennie and Freany.
Once again, thank you, much appreciated.
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Hello, I think you are right in that Rennie is Freney/ Franey.
I have Martin Delaney married to Elizabeth Freney.
They had a son John Delaney (b. 1845?)
They also had a daughter Mary Delaney (b. 1853 in Newtown, Queen's County) married Richard Nash (b. 1853) in 1873 in Clonbrock, Laois. (Newtown & Clonbrock are in the same area as Crettyard and Doonane). They moved to Omoa Square in Cleland (sometimes noted as Shotts but that is the district - Cleland is the village), Scotland around 1901, with a large family.
Mary's birth and baptism have a witness as Mary Treacey and Mary Traney. I believe these are actually Freney/ Franey. You can see how things get confused!
So I believe your Eliza is sister of Mary Delaney?
Richard and Mary's daughter was Bridget Nash, and whom married a Delaney.
Her son was Scotland footballer Jimmy Delaney of Celtic, Manchester United, Aberdeen, Derry and Cork. His son was Patrick Delaney of Motherwell football club.
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Hello MarsKy, you are quite correct. It is great to see how the family tree works in. My father used to talk about being a cousin of the great Jimmy Delaney but I could never find the link in the tree. I managed to check the death certificate of Mary Delaney (my Elizas sister) and it did confirm her mothers maiden name of Franey and not Rennie. Many thanks for your information, much appreciated.
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An update (see diagram).
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Hello MarsKy
Sorry I haven't been on this site for a wee while and have just noticed your post. Thank you for the information and yes they are all my family. It's nice to be able to say that.