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Died at 105 Underwood Street, Paddington on 11 January 1901 (I have death cert, morgue records). Married 31 July 1873 in Paddington to Mary Ann Elizabeth Ham (cannot find marriage certificate but this is mentioned on Florence's birth cert). Eldest child of 10, Florence Rose Glencora Smith, born 25 March 1895 at 38 Hargrave Street Paddington. First child Mary Ann Elizabeth born 6 May 1874.
Death certificate says he has been in the colony 27 years ie arrived c. 1874 and that he was born in London. Listed as a labourer on daughter's birth certificate
I can't find immigration records nor any records in London as there are so many George Smiths.
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Possibly George F Kerby Smith B1847+/- Middlesex London, Father George, Mother Agneta.
Bit rusty on these, but worth a check with census 1851.
Neil
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You probably have this short newspaper account of his death, January 1901, aged 58 thus born abt 1842.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/240140482
Judith
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The only birth in the London area around that time as mentioned by Neil Todd...
SMITH, GEORGE FRANCIS KIRBY mmn PARNELL
GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE
and
SMITH, GEORGE FRANCIS mmn HALL
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in ROTHERHITHE Volume 04 Page 435
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This is a possibility for marriage as same date as you have stated:
767/1873 SMITH George Richard to HANE Mary Ann SYDNEY
Jamjar
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Link to other thread: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=802556.msg6604730
Jamjar
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There is another here in the same time frame:
3897/1875 SMITH George Francis to ALLEN Mary Ann QUEANBEYAN
Jamjar
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I think these are the births of the 2 children mentioned..
SMITH FLORENCE G R
GEORGE F
MARY A
PADDINGTON
15604/1895
SMITH MARY ANN E
GEORGE
MARY ANN
SYDNEY
1255/1874
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I think these are the births of the 2 children mentioned..
SMITH FLORENCE G R
GEORGE F
MARY A
PADDINGTON
15604/1895
SMITH MARY ANN E
GEORGE
MARY ANN
SYDNEY
1255/1874
I’ve found their 11 children, but it appears the OP knows about 10 of them. Florence is actually the youngest, not the eldest as the OP has said.
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Who was the first born Jamjar ?
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Who was the first born Jamjar ?
1874 Mary Ann E
1875 George W
1876 Rose Emily
1878 Walter Ernest
1880 Charles Francis
1882 Olive Lilly M
1884 Ethel B J
1885 Maud
1887 Ruby E A
1889 Sydney J
1892 Mabel D P died 1893
1895 Florence G R
Shame the weren’t Scottish. ;)
Jamjar
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This is a possibility for marriage as same date as you have stated:
767/1873 SMITH George Richard to HANE Mary Ann SYDNEY
Jamjar
Well found JJ
I wonder if that's a mistranscribed F for the 1875 birth registered at Waterloo for George W, parents as George F and Mary A SMITH ... #5618
JM
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As an aside, I was hoping to find his folks at Waverley with him, but alas he is only with his own family members:
Waverley General Section 9 Row 18 Grave 1458
SMITH Mabel Dorothy Pearl 22 Sep 1 1
SMITH George Frank
SMITH Mary Ann 03 Jul 1933 30
POPE, Mary Ann Elizabeth 28 May 1947 73 - Inscription: Our mother
POPE is the daughter of George, not his wife.
Is the 1933 his wife’s death, with the age mistranscribed to disc?
Jamjar
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Just noticed one very nearby:
Waverley General Section 9 Row 18 Grave 1464, 1465
SMITH Jessie Wilson 11 May 1903 28
Wife of Sydney. Day of Henry and Mary Marcus
It’s the grave of her folks and others, no other Smiths there.
Jamjar
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Just in case this is of use - digressing to George Francis Smith's born about 1842 in the London area the only one I can't trace from the GRO Birth Index is
GEORGE FRANCIS SMITH - mothers maiden name SISLEY
GRO Ref 1844 June Qrter TUNBRIDGE Vol 05 Page 506
with probable siblings with the same mothers maiden name Horace Smith 1849 and James Smith 1846
Kay
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Thank you all again! How you have found this information so quickly when I have been searching for about a year amazes me.
Jamjar's list of children tallies with mine (Apologies Florence was youngest: I made a mistake) except that I have an Olive Lily May born on 5 May 1882 after Charles and no Maud. I will order May Ann's birth cert to see if it has any more details about George.
Thank you for the hints about his birth details: I will follow them up. Will post when I find out which one is correct.
George Francis Smith is buried in Waverley Cemetery at W-9-GE-OR-1458. There is no headstone. Find a Grave # 190888903. Mary Ann Ham is also buried there separately at site W-16-GE-OR-2189. Find a Grave #190888950. She is buried with Ethel May smith, James Michael Redman and Muriel Sylvia May Redman. Use iCemetery to get the location on map to help you find them.
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There is a headstone. I have the cemetery disc, that’s how I was able to provide the inscription and other details.
There is no inscription for the other folk you mention.
How do you connect the Mary Ann Ham buried with the Redman and the Ethel May Smith? This Ethel isn’t the daughter of George and Mary, as her other initials are B J.
What are the death years for Mary Ham and Ethel May?
14163/1928 HAM Mary A parents JOHN and SARAH WAVERLEY
I believe George’s wife is the one who is transcribed as death 1933 aged 30, but it has been incorrectly transcribed. The transcriber has noted ( Illegible. Headstone flaking), so her date of death and age could most certainly have be a ‘best guess’.
Getting a transcription of the marriage certificate I listed would be better value than another birth certificate.
Jamjar
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Yes, you are correct about Olive. I’ll add her to the list and here is Maud:
7877/1885 SMITH MAUD parents GEORGE F and MARY A NEWTOWN
Jamjar
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:) Welcome to RChat :) :) :)
See Jamjar's posts for list of the births ... :) :)
If you order the official transcription of the birth cert for youngest, you should get all the info about all the older siblings, plus info about both the parents (where born, then age, where married etc).
If you order the official transcription of the marriage that Jamjar found as well, then hopefully it will have information about not just the bride and groom, but also their origins, parents etc... It should also have notations showing it has been reconciled by NSW BDM with the church register/s as it was a marriage within the Sydney BDM district. It is likely it is the marriage you are looking for, afterall the bride's surname is indexed as HANE which may well be a mis-read for HAM (or vice versa).
Official transcriptions: (scroll down) ... already transcribed, by people familiar with the handwriting of the person recording it in the register :)
https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history-research/family-history-search.aspx
JM
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Here is the funeral notice for Mary Ann Elizabeth Pope, last column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article27900518
Marriage:
6023/1892 POPE Albert to SMITH Mary A E PADDINGTON
Jamjar
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Hi Jamjar,
Thank you for your interest and comments. I have really struggles with George.
1. There is a Funeral Notice in Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954), Thursday 9 July 1903, page 10 for Mary Ann Smith that lists children: George W, Walter E, Charles F some married women and Florrie.
2. No idea why she is buried with the others as I haven't had time to look into it. I have to research in fits and starts and the cemetery info was gained from a trip to Sydney earlier this year.There are 7 Mary Ann(e) smiths in the Waverley Cemetery and the ages of death of all but the 1903 death don't fit her birth date for which I have the birth certificate.
3. I walked Waverley cemetery for ages trying to find a headstone for George Francis that corresponded to the plot number given by the cemetery and I couldn't find it. I would be really keen to see the headstone you found.
4. Thanks for Maud's details. I've just looked up all the children's birth registrations and can see that initially the family was in Waterloo then moved to Paddington before Ethel was born so I'll follow up the addresses.
Kind regards,
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I can't keep up! thanks both of you for the latest info.
I do have Florence's birth certificate (not just the transcript) and it says 4 females, 4 males and 1 female deceased ie 10 yet I now know that there were 11 children because I have just looked up birth cert numbers for all the children Jamjar and I have and I found 11.
Mary Ann 1255/1874
George W 5618/1875
Walter Ernest 6517/1878
Charles Francis 7415/1880
Olive May 8973/1882
Ethel Beatrice 9275/1884
Maud 7877/1885
Ruby Emily 9672/1886
Sydney John 13059/1889
Mabel Dorothy 27829/1892
Florence Glencora 15604/1895.
The family were very creative about names compared to the others I am researching.
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Here is her death certificate:
11201/1903 SMITH MARY A PADDINGTON it is 8 July 1903
She will be the one buried with George Frank and her daughters.
I have the SAG cemetery inscription disc. They don’t have photos, but if a name is on it, there was a headstone. I think it was created in the 80s so highly like some headstones will no longer be readable.
If you have others buried there, or at Rookwood, I can have a look see if they are there.
The funeral notice mentioning children’s names:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article14534804
Jamjar
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There is definitely no headstone at all at the location given by the iCemetery app now. I looked earlier this year.
Thanks for the offer about looking up others' graves. I have found and visited the graves of almost everyone of my direct ancestors except for George and Elizabeth Barnes and William Partridge (maybe died 1843)and Margaret Stafford (died about 1840) all of whose death certificates I can't find so I don't even know yet where to look.
cheers
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1874 Mary Ann E
1875 George W
1876 Rose Emily
1878 Walter Ernest
1880 Charles Francis
1882 Olive Lilly M
1884 Ethel B J
1885 Maud
1887 Ruby E A
1889 Sydney J
1892 Mabel D P died 1893
1895 Florence G R
Is this the Rose Emily referred to?
SMITH, ROSE EMILY
19193/1876
GEORGE FRANCIS
MARY JANE
QUEANBEYAN
Rose Emily SMITH born Queanbeyan married in 1896 and said her father was George Francis SMITH, a deceased carpenter, and mother was Mary ALLEN.
Debra :)
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The daughters mentioned in Mary’s funeral notice:
6023/1892 POPE ALBERT to SMITH MARY A E PADDINGTON
9867/1947 POPE MARY ANN ELIZABETH parents GEORGE FRANCIS and MARY ANN MARRICKVILLE
Death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18028238
9411/1900 JAMES Robert to SMITH Olive L H
35395/1963 JAMES Olive Lily M parents GEORGE and MARY ANN NEWTOWN
Notice: JAMES Olive Lily May Death notice 10-11-1963 Death late of Sydney Sydney Morning Herald 11-11-1963
7313/1901 SHEDDEN William to SMITH Ethel B G PADDINGTON
16017/1959 SHEDDEN Ethel Beatrice parents GEORGE FRANCIS and MARY ANN NORTH SYDNEY
Death and funeral notices, first page: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19590423&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
10982/1906 BAMFORD Francis to SMITH Ruby E A REDFERN
3190/1927 BAMFORD Ruby E A parents GEORGE F and MARY PADDINGTON
Funeral notices: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16350439
2767/1917 LANSDOWNE William W to SMITH Florence G R PADDINGTON
276/1946 LANSDOWNE Florence Glenora Rose GEORGE FRANCIS and MARY ANN SYDNEY
Death and funeral notices: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17970940
Rose Emily eludes me, but as she isn’t mentioned in the 1903 notice it’s likely she was deceased. Still could have died under a married name, though. As you say they were creative with names, so I’m thinking Maud may belong to the other George Francis and Mary Ann.
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1874 Mary Ann E
1875 George W
1876 Rose Emily
1878 Walter Ernest
1880 Charles Francis
1882 Olive Lilly M
1884 Ethel B J
1885 Maud
1887 Ruby E A
1889 Sydney J
1892 Mabel D P died 1893
1895 Florence G R
Is this the Rose Emily referred to?
SMITH, ROSE EMILY
19193/1876
GEORGE FRANCIS
MARY JANE
QUEANBEYAN
Rose Emily SMITH born Queanbeyan married in 1896 and said her father was George Francis SMITH, a deceased carpenter, and mother was Mary ALLEN.
Debra :)
Yes, my error. I thought I’d filtered out all the Queanbeyan ones.
So, then it looks like Maud is theirs.
Oops, maybe not. 5 girls married.
“I do have Florence's birth certificate (not just the transcript) and it says 4 females, 4 males and 1 female deceased.”
Jamjar
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I do have Florence's birth certificate (not just the transcript) and it says 4 females, 4 males and 1 female deceased ie 10 yet I now know that there were 11 children
Mabel born 1891 and died 1893 is probably the deceased female and Maud may have only lived briefly and not counted, though there is no death reg. She was not baptised at St Matthias, as were the other children born between 1884 and 1895.
Debra :)
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The lads, only 2 a certainty:
15895/1949 SMITH Walter Ernest parents GEORGE FRANCIS and MARY ANN PADDINGTON
Death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18135909
His first wife’s death: 13457/1925 SMITH ALICE M parents TOM and JESSIE WAVERLEY
In Memoriam for Alice Maud: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16315546
His second wife’s death: 16515/1954 SMITH Ada Lucy parents FRANK and MARY JANE SYDNEY
13588/1956 SMITH Sydney John parents GEORGE FRANCIS and MARY ANN GLOUCESTER
Jamjar
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Having read the concurrent thread on the English board in the search for George Francis/Richard SMITH and noting on the certificate of marriage provided by Debra, that the man's occupation was mariner,
I will add this as a thought.
People often named children after ships of arrival to a new country.
Arriving Sydney March 29th 1873, the GLENCORA.
Departed Glasgow 4th December 1873.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/162656053
The Sydney Mail and New South Wales Advertiser
Shipping gazette
http://marinersandships.com.au/1873/03/080gle.htm
Unfortunately I do not see the name George SMITH as a crew member and only one passenger is mentioned.
However, worth considering that George possibly arrived as crew rather than passenger on some ship or other from Scotland.
Sue
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That's a good theory sparrett, there are 2 George Smith's born in London in the 1861 census...
George Smith, b 1843 London, Unmarried, Apprentice. Shipping At Sea And In Ports Abroad.
RG09 4466 / 62
George Smith, b 1844 Poplar, London, Unmarried, Apprentice. Shipping At Sea And In Ports Abroad.
RG09 4447 / 68
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This maybe the George Smith, Poplar...
SMITH, GEORGE mmn NOKES
GRO Reference: 1844 J Quarter in POPLAR UNION Volume 02 Page 318
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That's a good theory sparrett, there are 2 George Smith's born in London in the 1861 census...
George Smith, b 1843 London, Unmarried, Apprentice. Shipping At Sea And In Ports Abroad.
RG09 4466 / 62
George Smith, b 1844 Poplar, London, Unmarried, Apprentice. Shipping At Sea And In Ports Abroad.
RG09 4447 / 68
Hi,
Problem is the marriage certificate provided by Debra on the other thread, clearly says born in Glasgow.EDIT Scotland
Father George Francis SMITH, mother Sarah nee BRADLEY
Sue
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I was going by the death that says he was born in London. There are dozens of George Smith's born in Scotland for the given date's only 1 with the given names in reverse order...
SMITH, FRANCIS GEORGE. DAVID SMITH/MARY ROGERSON FR265 (FR265). 16/02/1840
853/A 20 23 Wamphrey.
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There are quite a few mentions of the Glencora on Trove, that are not on the Mariners site.
He could have arrived on another ship and then signed on to the Glencora to do Australian coastal runs. Given the almost yearly births of his children, he wasn’t straying very far.
Also, as he married at age 30, there is always the chance he was married overseas, abandoned family, and gave false details on marriage cert here. ;)
Jamjar
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3. I walked Waverley cemetery for ages trying to find a headstone for George Francis that corresponded to the plot number given by the cemetery and I couldn't find it. I would be really keen to see the headstone you found.
Apologies if this has already been posted, but there is a photograph of the headstone here:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/190888903
It does say that the older headstone (George's) is too weathered to read.
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3. I walked Waverley cemetery for ages trying to find a headstone for George Francis that corresponded to the plot number given by the cemetery and I couldn't find it. I would be really keen to see the headstone you found.
Apologies if this has already been posted, but there is a photograph of the headstone here:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/190888903
It does say that the older headstone (George's) is too weathered to read.
No wonder folk have trouble sorting their trees. ::)
“Paddington, Brisbane City, Queensland, Australia”
Jamjar
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>:(
AGH .... a Geo Smith at Waterloo Sydney NSW 1875 .. I have found mention in my offline resources notes .... I have phoned a rellie to check their research ...
JM
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3. I walked Waverley cemetery for ages trying to find a headstone for George Francis that corresponded to the plot number given by the cemetery and I couldn't find it. I would be really keen to see the headstone you found.
I've been looking at the disc and those either side of them may assist you in finding the grave:
PEARCE's
grass
FULLWOOD Sarah Ann
PARRY George
grass
The SMITH's
grass
BRADLEY'S Edgar William, Leonard R., Charles F
BARNES H G (This is a military one. He was a Lt. Corp.)
LANG's
Jamjar
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I have found and visited the graves of almost everyone of my direct ancestors except for George and Elizabeth Barnes and William Partridge (maybe died 1843)and Margaret Stafford (died about 1840) all of whose death certificates I can't find so I don't even know yet where to look.
1057/1843 V18431057 27B PARTRIDGE William AGE 34
Inquest for William, last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12414271
This is the only Margaret STAFFORD I see between 1830 and 1860
553/1860 STAFFORD Margaret AGE 62 YEARS DIED SYDNEY SYDNEY
You may like to start new threads on the Barnes' and your Margaret, with as much detail as possible.
Jamjar
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15895/1949 SMITH Walter Ernest parents GEORGE FRANCIS and MARY ANN PADDINGTON
Death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18135909
His first wife’s death: 13457/1925 SMITH ALICE M parents TOM and JESSIE WAVERLEY
In Memoriam for Alice Maud: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16315546
At Rookwood:
Anglican Section 7 Row 53 Grave 3545
SMITH Alice Maude 07 Aug 1925 38 - Our mother
SMITH Walter Ernest 13 Sep 1949 72 - Our father
Birth of Alice Maude: HARLOW Alice M parents THOMAS and JESSIE BOURKE
Marriage of Walter and Alice: 2605/1902 SMITH Walter E to HARLOW Alice YOUNG
Children of Walter and Alice:
1903-1920 Walter Ernest - Funeral notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16878861
1905-1982 William Henry Thomas
Marriage: 14609/1927 SMITH William H T to BARTLETT Mabel WINGHAM
Deaths: SMITH William Henry Thomas Other 7-11-1982 Death 76 late of Telegraph Point Port Macquarie News 8-11-1982
SMITH William Henry Thomas Obituary 7-11-1982 Death 77 late of Telegraph Point Port Macquarie News 24-11-1982
SMITH William Henry Thomas Probate notice 28-10-1983 Publication late of Telegraph Point Port Macquarie News 28-10-1983
He appears to be at Port Macquarie Cemetery with wife Mabel, but the headstone has the wrong year on it:
Smith William H T 1907? 7 Nov 1983 76 h/Mabel Port Macquarie NSW Ang
Smith (Bartlett) Mabel 1909? 21 Dec 1987 78 w/William H T
http://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=8487364#images
The only death that comes up for Mabel, when I search 21-12-1987 is the following. May be it wasn’t registered until January 1988:
100623/1988SMITH Mabel parents MARK and SARAH BLANCHE
1908 Alice L M
Marriage: 10934/1925 WARREN William F to SMITH Alice L M WOOLLAHRA
1912-16 June 1976 Norman Alexander - Last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article220193185
Marriage: 6225/1936 SMITH Norman Alexander to PAINE Eileen Elizabeth GRANVILLE
Death: SMITH Norman Alexander Death notice 16-6-1976 Death 64 late of Earlwood Sydney Morning Herald 18-6-1976
1915-1974 George William
Marriage: 13569/1941 SMITH George William to FARQUHAR Emily Esther WOOLLAHRA
Death and funeral: First page: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19740208&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
At Eastern Suburbs Cemetery:
Court of Memories Columbarium, Niche Wall E
George William Smith 5-2-1974 29-3-1974 Ashes
Possible for wife:
Memory Lane Walls, Wall B, Position 128
Emily Esther Smith 9-9-1996 14-10-1997 Ashes (something odd about those dates)
One female possibly born after 1918 so can't list.
Birth and possible death of Walter's second wife:
14749/1877 SOWTER Ada L parents FRANCIS and MARY J MAITLAND
16515/1954 SMITH Ada Lucy parents FRANK and MARY JANE SYDNEY
Jamjar
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10982/1906 BAMFORD Francis to SMITH Ruby E A REDFERN
3190/1927 BAMFORD Ruby E A parents GEORGE F and MARY PADDINGTON
Funeral notices: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16350439
11689/1889 BAMFORD FRANCIS parents FREDERICK and JOHANNA NEWTOWN
26849/1957 BAMFORD FRANCIS parents FREDERICK and JOHANNA SYDNEY
BAMFORD Francis Death notice 17-10-1957 Death 85 late of Redfern Sydney Morning Herald 18-10-1957 (if this is his notice then the age is well out).
At Rookwood buried with husband, daughters and son-in-law PETRIE, William James.
Catholic Mortuary 2 Section 9 Row 16 Graves 2588, 2589
BAMFORD Ruby Emily 27 Jan 1927 36 - Our mother
BAMFORD Francis 17 Oct 1957 67 - Father (age should be 76)
BOWEN Doris Eileen 26 Apr 1977 66 - My wife
PETRIE William James 16 Sep 1986 82
PETRIE Grace Amelia 8 May 1991 84
Children of Ruby and Francis:
31210/1906 BAMFORD Grace A
Marriage: 17959/1937 PETRIE William James to BAMFORD Grace Amelia REDFERN
Deaths: PETRIE Grace Amelia Death notice 5-5-1991 Death late of Marrickville Sydney Morning Herald 7-5-1991
21228/1986 PETRIE William James parents ROBERT and ANNIE
PETRIE William James Death notice 16-9-1986 Death late of Marrickville Sydney Morning Herald 17-9-1986
Type 41 in little, white box, or scroll across to page 40: https://news.google.com.au/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19860917&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
29047/1908 BAMFORD Herbert F
Marriage: 12023/1932 BAMFORD Herbert F to BURGESS Helen K ST PETERS
Deaths: BAMFORD Herbert Francis Death notice 30-1-1996 Death 87 late of Caringbah, formerly of Rosebery Sydney Morning Herald 1-2-1996
13115/1984 BAMFORD Helen Maude parents WALTER and MARY
BAMFORD Helen Maude Death notice 13-6-1984 Death late of Rosebery Sydney Morning Herald 14-6-1984
Type 22 in little, white box or scroll to page 21: https://news.google.com.au/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19840614&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
At Woronora Cemetery:
Helen Maude Bamford 13-6-1984 Ashes Kk - Rose Garden 8 - 0116
Herbert Francis Bamford 30-1-1996 1-10-1996 Ashes Kk - Rose Garden 8 - 0118
10755/1911 BAMFORD Doris E
Marriage:1160/1959 BOWEN William Henry to BAMFORD Doris Eileen SYDNEY
Deaths: 9466/1977 BOWEN Doris Eileen
BOWEN Doris Eileen Death notice 26-4-1977 Death 66 late of Chippendale Sydney Morning Herald 27-4-1977
First page: https://news.google.com.au/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19770428&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
16595/1980 BOWEN William Henry parents WILLIAM and SARAH
BOWEN William Henry Death notice 19-7-1980 Death 71 late of Chippendale Sydney Morning Herald 21-7-1980
Type 12 in little, white box or scroll to page 18: https://news.google.com.au/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19800721&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
40896/1913 BAMFORD George J
Marriage: 17944/1937 BAMFORD George Joseph to KELLY Elsie REDFERN
Likely deaths as wife is known as 'Dolly' in notices of other family members: BAMFORD George Joseph Death notice 11-2-1994 Death 79 late of Toukley, formerly of Redfern Sydney Morning Herald 14-2-1994
BAMFORD Elsie (Dolly) Death notice 27-9-1989 Death 75 late of Toukley, formerly of Redfern and Waterloo Daily Telegraph (Sydney) 28-9-1989
Jamjar
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AGH .... a Geo Smith at Waterloo Sydney NSW 1875 .. I have found mention in my offline resources notes .... I have phoned a rellie to check their research ...
JM
Right, the Geo SMITH I found at Waterloo is not related to Mary Ann HAM, but my rellie has a number of files for George SMITH in NSW in 1870s and is getting them out to go through ... yes, with SMITH in NSW you do collect a number of wallpaper bdms ... :D
JM
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Hi all,
A thousand apologies for saying I hadn't found George Francis Smith's grave. All I can say is that it was late at night!!!! I am the person who posted on Find A Grave. Many thanks to those who have posted, especially Jamjar.
I have spent the time since I last posted doing more research and as all his children had triple middle names I think he was born George Richard Francis Smith and after he married he dropped the Richard so I researched George Francis and George Richard.
On the other hand reading the suggestion that he jumped ship or was previously married and not divorced or widowed maybe he was born George Francis or George Francis Richard and used the Richard to disguise himself for the marriage and then reverted to George Francis. If he was trying to disguise himself he may not have been a mariner?
Florence Glencora Rose’s birth certificate says he was 52 years old on 25 March 1895, was a labourer and was born in London. So that places his birth after 25 March and before 31 July 1843.
His death certificate says he was born in London, was aged 58 years and had been in the colony for 27 years and was 31 years old when he married in July 1873 and died on 11 January 1901. So he was probably born between 11 January and 31 July 1843.
Am still putting together what I have found.
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There are a couple of possibles, each registered as George Richard SMITH (no Francis)and both registered 1842, born in London. However it seems a bit of a long shot to me.
George Richard SMITH,
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep, 1842
Registration district: Lambeth
(I think my maths is right - maybe not!) This man would have turned 52 in Jul/Aug/Sep of 1894 so would still have been 52 possibly until June 1895, (Florence's birth)
turned 31 in Jul/Aug/Sep of 1873 so still may still be 31 in July 1873 (marriage)
turned 58 in Jul/Aug/Sep of 1900 so still be 58 in January 1901 (death)
George Richard SMITH, 1842, Oct-Nov-Dec qr
Registration district: Islington
(Similar ages to above)
Sorry if you already have a marriage cert but if not perhaps it would be worth getting the certificate for the marriage mentioned by Jamjar in Reply #4
767/1873 SMITH George Richard to HANE Mary Ann SYDNEY
Edit to add: see next post; sorry couldn't remember that Debra had found it. Thanks, JM
Judith
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Debra found it
Hmm.
https://postimg.cc/w1MzQjn5
Debra :)
Notice it has been reconciled by the NSW BDM inspecting the Church Registers so no elusive blanks :)
JM