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Census Lookups General Lookups => Census and Resource Discussion => Topic started by: neil1821 on Saturday 20 October 18 19:11 BST (UK)
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Evening all, I need to pick your brains if I may :)
I have the following family in 1901, living in Whitley Street, Manchester
Frederick Boulton Head Married Age 29 born 1872
Elizabeth Boulton Wife Married Age 27 born 1874
Harry Boulton Son, Age 7 born 1894
George Boulton Son, Age 5 born 1896
Frederick's birthplace is given as Australia, which I can tell you is nonsense! He was born in Gloucestershire. The others were born in Manchester.
Now I cannot for the life of me find them in 1911, and need some fresh eyes or ideas.
- I believe Frederick died in 1909, so he can be ignored for the purpose of this. The others should be there though.
- I have no reason to believe they moved away...I have references to George in Manchester up to the 1920s.
- Harry was actually William Henry
- I've tried various spelling variations in case of mistranscription without any joy.
Any suggestions please?
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Hi
1909 he died?
What was the address on his death certificate?
R
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I assume you are referring to:
Frederick Boulton - Prestwich Registration District - March q 1909 - aged 37
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I believe that's Frederick, yes.
He was in an institution when he died.
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Having looked at both his and his brothers birth registrations on the GRO site, its quite possible that their mother's maiden name was Wood.
A possible entry in 1911 (free to search on Family Search) for William Henry (billed as William H T Boulton as the nephew of a widow called Susannah Burns.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4M3-WYR
Looking back to the 1901 census for that Susannah Burns, (born c1856, Manchester) there is a likely Susannah Burns, widow , living with her mother Agnes Wood
Piece 3824/Folio 91/ Page 44
If that fits with what you know, then I think its worth you having a look at the images and putting it in the 'possibles' category?
Boo
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Did you look under her maiden name after the husband died. I had an ancestor who similarly disappeared in 1901 along with his children. I found them all having reverted to using the maiden name of his wife who had died.
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Thank you both.
I had wondered if Elizabeth had remarried between 1909 and 1911 and they were all listed under whatever her new name would be. Though I hadn't considered her maiden name.
Boo, that's certainly one I'll look into.
Bit confused with William's extra initial, but most promising lead so far!
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Do you have Frederick and Elizabeth's marriage? (registration or record)
Boo
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Having looked at both his and his brothers birth registrations on the GRO site, its quite possible that their mother's maiden name was Wood.
A possible entry in 1911 (free to search on Family Search) for William Henry (billed as William H T Boulton as the nephew of a widow called Susannah Burns.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4M3-WYR
Looking back to the 1901 census for that Susannah Burns, (born c1856, Manchester) there is a likely Susannah Burns, widow , living with her mother Agnes Wood
Piece 3824/Folio 91/ Page 44
If that fits with what you know, then I think its worth you having a look at the images and putting it in the 'possibles' category?
Boo
Just following this line of thought a look at 1861 census shows -
At Water Street, St John, Manchester.
WOOD.
Job, aged 26 a collar stiffener
Agnes his wife aged 22, a ? weaver
Susannah aged 5 . A scholar
Mary Ann Aged 2
Susannah BOULTON, Mother in law to Job, aged 50. Silk weaver.
All born Manchester.
Sue
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I'd feel a lot happier about that 1911 'possible' if I could find a marriage for Frederick and Elizabeth that might match
Boo
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Do you have Frederick and Elizabeth's marriage? (registration or record)
Boo
I do think Elizabeth's maiden name was Wood, but don't have the marriage as yet.
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have you found a registration? I have been firkling and am failing!
Boo
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No.
They're a very frustrating family ;D
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"..Frederick's birthplace is given as Australia, which I can tell you is nonsense! He was born in Gloucestershire."
What are the origins of this Frederick BOULTON ~1872 Gloucester, and living at 67 Whitley St, and giving incorrect information about his birthplace?
Census 1901 at 67 Whitley St Manchester
BOULTON Frederick 29y foreman Sanitary Engineer b. Australia
BOULTON Elizabeth 27y wife b. Manchester
BOULTON Harry 7y son b. Manchester
BOULTON John 5y son b. Manchester
BOULTON John 10y cousin b. Manchester
BOULTON James 14y cousin labourer drainage b. Wales NK
BOULTON Gerty 18y cousin b. Wales NK
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Frederick was born in Lydney, Gloucs.
I have this from my grandfather years ago (who was George's son, Frederick's grandson).
Since you mention those cousins who were also on the 1901 census entry, they are incidental to my story. But when I traced them back, it seems that Gertrude was actually born in Oxfordshire from what I see.
They seem to have had a habit of telling porkies on census night in 1901 ::)
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Frederick was born in Lydney, Gloucs.
Could Lydney, Gloucs have been miss-read as Sydney, Aus by the enumerator, then entered as just Australia.
If I understand correctly the enumerator delivered forms for the head of each household to complete and collected them later. The information was then transcribed onto the census forms we see now. The original schedules were then destroyed.
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Could Lydney, Gloucs have been miss-read as Sydney, Aus by the enumerator, then entered as just Australia.
That's a genius theory! I never thought of that. :D