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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: mccubbin on Sunday 07 October 18 12:02 BST (UK)
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Hello I am trying to get some information on my Granny's Cousin, Grace Inglis she was born 1906, Edinburgh Scotland, now she was still in Scotland 1951, after that she disappeared, I went on to Ancestry found her there in Australia on a Private Members tree, (they want give out anything about her).
i do not know what part of Australia she came to. so any help or how i go about finding her would be great.
Thank you
McCubbin
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There is no 1906 birth on SP for Grace Inglis but there are 2 in 1907 - neither in Edinburgh. Was Inglis her birth name or her married name?
The tree shows her birthdate as 13.1.1904 and also 1906. It also shows she married James Wardrop and SP has the marriage as 1926 so you may want to check it’s the same Grace.
If it is - you are looking for Grace Wardrop - not Grace Inglis and the tree shows she died 1984
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Hello CaroleW,
Thank you for getting in touch.
Her right name is Gracie she was born 1906 at Liberton, Midlothian on SP ( Liberton is part of Edinburgh) she went on to marry James Wardrop 1926, they got divorced 1951. when she got married to James her name was Grace.
The name I seen on Ancestry was Grace Inglis, the tree was private, I think she went to Australia.
thank you
karen
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She may or may not have married again after 1951. The tree shows a death in 1984 but no details as to where she died.
If I were you I would contact the tree owner for more info
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Hi Karen,
From Victoria BDM https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj (free to search)
there is a death of a Grace INGLIS in Victoria in 1984 but I don't think she is the correct lady as it says she was born in Adelaide.
Death Victoria
1984 Grace Caroline INGLIS, father Andrew INGLIS, mother Euphemia WATT, reg 9415
Place of Birth Adelaide, Place of death Chirnside Park
What were Grace's parents' names?
Ros
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Definitely not the right one as Grace had no middle name. The tree on Ancestry is private so minimal info available
The owner of the tree is contactable via Ancestry
Is there a death under Wardrop?
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I haven't found one ... :(
I also looked for a marriage for Grace/Gracie INGLIS/WARDROP in NSW and W.A. without success. A marriage after 1951 is too recent for other states.
If we knew the parents' names we could do a wildcard search for the death of Grace * with parents Blah and Blah
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Hello everyone,
thank you for all your help so far.
Grace mother was Margaret Inglis.
karen
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Grace's mother Margaret was illegitimate, so was Grace.
I don't know if that will make a difference.
karen
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You really need to contact the tree owner for more info
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I did contact the tree owner, they give me nothing, she said it was private tree, I asked her a few questions about grace, and she came back to me and said she could not tell me nothing.
so there we go, that's why I came on here.
its ok if you cant find nothing, least you have been helpful and tried ,more than some people ;D
karen
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Hi Karen
You say that Grace and James WARDROP were divorced in 1951. You think she was still in Scotland at the time of the divorce but could it be possible that she had left earlier and the divorce was because of her desertion or separation?
Were there any children?
Sorry, not much help!
Judith
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Hello All,
Grace was here for her divorce, she was staying at the time at bigger in Scotland.
now she might of married again in Australia, it all depends when she went, when she got divorced from James, she would of been only 45, still a young women.
I will need to make a trip to Register House in Edinburgh to look for children, as I know she did have children, as the private tree on Ancestry is her grandson.
thank you everyone
karen
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Here's a link to the National Archives of Australia's INDEX for inward passenger lists. It is not complete, but includes passengers arriving by ship and by plane up to about 1966.
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/PassengerSearch.aspx
I wonder if your person of interest may have travelled under a different surname ... did her mum marry? if so, perhaps try under her mum's married surname...
You may find it sensible to try entering just a surname, and noticing how many entries come up showing passengers as Mrs or Miss SURNAME, no given name, many times not even an initial.
Ancestry has uploaded a number of electoral rolls up to around 1980. Have you found your person listed there? As a British born lass, assuming she migrated to Australia in the 1950s or 1960s, she would have been eligible to enrol without needing to become an Australian citizen, and she should be findable in those rolls.
There are eight jurisdictions that make up the nation, Australia. Each has its own BDM institutions, different protocols for each, and no central Australian BDM registry. Australia has strict privacy rules, and there's restricted access to non-historical BDM records, so the tree-owner is likely protecting the privacy of his living parent who is the child of your Gran's cousin.
Here's a link to RChat's Australia resources board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia-resources-offers/
May I ask if you 'knew' your Gran's cousin had migrated to Australia before you actually noticed the submitted Ancestry tree?
JM
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Hello majm
thank you for that, only thing is Australia national archives is closed for now, they are moving so you cant get on there web site, it says, I will keep that in mind.
no I did not know that Grace had come to Australia, it was when I could not find her death on Scotland's people that I went on Ancestor and found her.
I was only asking Grace family just about grace, not to worry, I will find out about her one day.
so thank you everyone for your time looking for my wee Gracie. ;)
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Hi Karen,
Just to eliminate one possibility.
On NSW BDM there is a death of a Grace WEST in 1984 with mother Margaret and no father given.
https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history-research/family-history-search.aspx
However the grave makes clear that she was born in 1915 and had maiden name O'Meara
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/48620635#view-photo=168571668 So this is not your Grace.
With only 1 parent name and a fairly common name like Margaret, it means that there could be more false hits.
I wonder if you could ask the grandson if he could just tell you where Grace is buried ....? That seems like a reasonable request and isn't being nosey about the rest of her life (if that's what he is afraid of).
Ros
( I did search passenger lists on national Archives for Inglis and Wardrop while it was on its last wobbly legs)
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I wrote to the grandson, its not even the grandson its his wife, never heard anything back.
maybe my wee Gracie, is a mass murder ha ha, I was thinking maybe grace found out who her father was? Grace had 4 sister they were illegitimate as well, its a big mystery.
so I don't know if that is my wee Gracie rosball, only thing is right is her mother's name, thank you for your help.
I think she must of been under cover.
karen
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....thank you for that, only thing is Australia national archives is closed for now, they are moving so you cant get on there web site, it says, I will keep that in mind.....
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Ros
( I did search passenger lists on national Archives for Inglis and Wardrop while it was on its last wobbly legs)
:D :D :D
I have, just now, accessed the naa.gov.au passenger arrivals list. It is working fine for me. It was also working fine for me when I posted earlier.
The 'long way in' to the passenger list index:
http://naa.gov.au/collection/search/ (Here at present you can read a message about ONE of the NAA (Western Australia) offices being currently closed and thus no access at that location - :) )
then click on 'Record Search' at the line that reads : Use RecordSearch to search our collection.
And then, at the menu bar there, click on 'Passenger arrivals' and search using any likely surname your Gran's cousin may have used (In my earlier post I suggested, as an example, the married surname of the mum of your Gran's cousin). Then, on the results, go across to the heading 'digital copy' and click on that to view that particular passenger list.
JM
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Thank you JM
got there looked through some keeping the rest till tomorrow, need to get to me bed.
so thank you for this. nite from bonnie Scotland.
karen
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Hello Everyone,
I am trying to find out about Grace or Gracie, now she was born 1906 Edinburgh Scotland, now I think she died 1984 Australia, she married a James Wardrop.
Any help on this women would be great thank you.
McCubbin
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Does she have a surname before marriage?
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Sorry about that. it is Inglis.
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What were her folk’s names?
Did she have a middle name?
Jamjar
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This has been covered, previously.
Jamjar
Threads merged.
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That was about year and a half ago, I thought I would refresh people brains lol or new people on here.
mccubbin x
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Hi - current trees on Ancestry indicate that she died in Scotland
M
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Hello Everyone,
Just letting you know I found my wee Gracie, she died in Scotland.
So thank you for the help I got.
McCubbin
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Thank you for letting us know. It's always nice to know the end of a search.
:) Judith