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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: idr6 on Thursday 27 September 18 19:46 BST (UK)
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In July 1929 there was a sad incident in the River Lagan with a young lad drowning and an unemployed man, Samuel Todd Patterson, also losing his life in a vain attempt at rescue. I'm trying to see if this Samuel Patterson fits into my family tree.
At the time of his death, Samuel was said to be living at 47 St Kilda Street, Belfast. The time is that at 49 was old Elias Patterson with 47 housing his daughter Sarah and her husband Thomas Longridge. Unless there is a strange coincidence in the surnames (and these things do happen), there's every change that family connections brought the unemployed Samuel and his family to lodge with relatives at 47.
I know that Samuel was the son of Samuel and Elizabeth Patterson (of 5 Jocelyn Street) and that the dates of this elder Samuel are 1864-1943. Does anyone know of a connection between him/them and Elias Patterson's family?
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Have you got ages for Elias or any idea of his wife's name
There is a marriage of a Elias Patterson to Eleanor Hall in 1870 in Belfast his father is Samuel.
Do you know if the older Samuel's father's name?
Could they be brothers?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11381/8178590.pdf
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Yes this is indeed the Elias that I've been considering. He's 27 when he marries Eleanor Hall in 1870, so that's a birth in about 1843. He dies sometime after 1924 (Eleanor's death). The 1932 Directory has daughter Sarah moving into 49 in 1932, so I presume he is dead by then. The 1870 marriage has Elias' father's name as Samuel. I was wondering whether Elias and the 1864-born Samuel might be brothers.
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Do you know Elizabeth's surname?
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I believe it was Thompson. Her dates were 1865-1936, There are quite a few Pattersons on the Find A Grave website (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/122439553/samuel-patterson), but nothing that links to 'my' Pattersons.
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There is a marriage of a Samuel Patterson to Elizabeth Thompson 1885 but his father is Robert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1885/10872/5970717.pdf
What age is Samuel Todd when his died?
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Samuel Todd Patterson was born in the first quarter of 1895 (a twin with John Thompson Patterson), and died on 15 July 1929. His funeral was a major event at the time.
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Samuel Patterson who drowned left a widow and 3 children. He served through the war in The Royal Irish Rifles.
JJ
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Births of Samuel Todd and his brother
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02231/1841143.pdf
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1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ormeau/Jocelyn_Street/214656/
Are you sure the Sarah living in number 47 isn't Samuel Todd's older sister?
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Thank you for this. It provides the earliest address that I have for Samuel Patterson and Lizzie (Thompson).
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The Sarah living at 47 St Kilda Street is definitely not Samuel's elder sister. That lady never married and is buried in the family plot in Belfast City Cemetery (Plot. G1 488). 'My' branch of the Pattersons moved into St Kilda Street about the time that part of it was built in 1900 at number 49, and later married girls (Sarah Longridge and Ellen Rowney) occupied other houses in hte street at different times.
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Thank you.
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That Sarah married Thomas Longridge
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10112/5679259.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ormeau/Saint_Kilda_Street/217654/
There is no obvious connection between the older Samuel and Elias, it could be further back but you would need to trace to the earlier generation.
It may simply be a case of two unrelated families have the same surname and ending up in the same street.