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I know of my family members ( Ryan ) in this pub in both the 1901 and 1911 census .
My understanding is that the site of the pub was on the Feeder side of the Kingsland Road bridge as it approaches Silverthorn Lane ( recollections of an elderly relative whose grandparents ran the pub ) .
Recently I was told that the pub was knocked down at some stage pos . the 60s ?
I've checked Old Maps online to see if shown , but no evidence to suggest if this site was correct .
Any thoughts , past knowledge of the actual site as I am going to visit the area soon to do a little research .
I have checked the Lost Pubs site where there is some info . but not of the actual location .
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Historical Directories (online)
Kelly's Directory of Bristol 1914
https://leicester.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p16445coll4/id/308631/rec/23
See top of column 2 - note which streets intersect Kingsland following the Victoria Tavern entry
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Hanes Teulu..thanks for such a quick reply .
I will look to try and match your info to a map of / near the year so I can look to place the location .
I remember the area a little from when I lived in Bristol but know there have been great changes in the Dings / St.Phillips district .
Does anyone living in that area know what's on that site now ?
I think there are very few pubs in the area left now .
I know all the heavy industry has gradually gone and that light warehousing units went up when I used to travel through the area .
Thanks again , appreciate your help .
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Assume we are talking about Esther Emily RYAN - on the 1911 census
Lloyd George Land Survey 1909
http://www.glos1909survey.org.uk
In the search box - just enter RYAN
the first one
is RYAN, Esther E (F)
33200/6 Box 7* - Hereditament Number 5849
*this is a link to the maps - haven't checked this yet
Place: St Philips
Income tax parish: Bristol East
Date when served: 25/11/1914
Occupied by:
RYAN, Esther E (F)
People holding property: The Bristol United Breweries Ltd, Lewins Mead, Bristol (owner)
Type of property: Business
PROPERTY
Description: land & buildings
Address: Victoria Tavern 1, Queen Victoria Street
Gross Value: £1,024
Site Value: 72
Difference: £951
Fee Farm: £33
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Old Bristol maps
http://maps.bristol.gov.uk/knowyourplace/?maptype=js
Click on and select "1880s Epoch 1"
Use slider bar to zoom and scroll to area you are interested in.
You can then choose whichever is of use/interest in the choice of maps.
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Thank you both for your help , appreciate your time .
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If you search The Bristol Record Office Archives on line
Ref no: Building plan/Volume 35/5e
Title: Kingsland Road, St Philip - Victoria Tavern - additions - J HURN
Date: 1898-1899
Level: Volume entry
Extent: 1 entry
Access status : Open
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By Googling:
Victoria tavern Kingsland Road, St Philip
The first heading :
Fox Tavern public house 11 Victoria Road, St Phillip's Marsh, Bristol (on the Flickr website)
Mentions various pubs including
'The Victoria' was well known locally as the "Pig" and was situated on the corner of Victoria Terrace and Albert Crescent, right in the centre of the Marsh.
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Hi
I know it's a bit early but; the oldmaps 1:500 (a good scale for finding PHs) from 1885 shows a number of them but none are south of the bridge carrying the railway over the road.
However the bridge at the northern end is actually called Kingsland Road Bridge and there are 3 pubs shown between the 2 bridges.
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/360244/172655/13/100204
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Kelly's Directory of Bristol 1902
http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p16445coll4/id/122233/rec/13
See top of column 3. The pub is not named - mine host described as a "beer retailer".
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1951 Town Plan Bristol - with house numbers
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html#/Map/360235/172722/13/101329
The properties are numbered on the 1911 Census. The house number of The George Inn, Kingsland Road, named on the 1911 Census accords exactly with the house number of the George Inn, Kingsland Road, named on the 1951 map.
The house number of the Ryan household, Kingsland Road, in 1911 accords exactly with the property marked "BH" on the 1951 map.
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Re. "beer retailer" and "BH" (beer house?)
https://www.beeradvocate.com/articles/14589/the-rise-and-fall-of-beer-houses/
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Again thanks all of you for your replies , really do appreciate it as not now living in the area .
On a visit in the future I can now look to photograph this site .
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I know of my family members ( Ryan ) in this pub in both the 1901 and 1911 census .
My understanding is that the site of the pub was on the Feeder side of the Kingsland Road bridge as it approaches Silverthorn Lane ( recollections of an elderly relative whose grandparents ran the pub ) .
Recently I was told that the pub was knocked down at some stage pos . the 60s ?
I've checked Old Maps online to see if shown , but no evidence to suggest if this site was correct .
Any thoughts , past knowledge of the actual site as I am going to visit the area soon to do a little research .
I have checked the Lost Pubs site where there is some info . but not of the actual location .
Appreciate nearly 7 years have elapsed since this post, but if you read this I thought you'd be interested to know that there appears to be a painting of the Victoria Tavern on https://maps.bristol.gov.uk/kyp/. I found it whilst examining the various map layers for traces of my own ancestors' pub. They owned and ran the Royal Oak, which from what I can tell was directly opposite the Victoria Tavern on Kingsland Road, next to the tunnel.
If you click the filter for 'Community layer', you'll see a clickable green diamond over the site of The Victoria. This is a painting of the pub, by Gerald Cains. You'll see that the tunnel and two sets of steps shown match the features on the map. My research indicates that my own ancestors' pub, the Royal Oak, was at the top of the steps you can see in the foreground - tantalisingly just out of view.
Hopefully this is of some use.
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The OP, double-trouble, was last online on Monday 14 October 2024.
Just a few months ago!
So there is a good chance he will get a notification of your post.
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paul.g,
Thanks for the update and pic. Wouldn't fancy tackling those steps after a couple of "George's Ales" before making my way to the Royal Oak.
Never ceases to amaze me what's out there if you hit the right buttons.
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Hi Paul.g ,
I saw that on Bristol KYP a few weeks back and managed to get a decent pic of it although lost some colour . Just showed my dad about a week ago after coming to Bristol . He remembers St . Philips and The Dings from many years ago and the many family stories of my family who had various pubs in the area ( through marriages ) . I do have a modern day picture of the waste ground beside the bridge and have pieced together odd pieces of info . found in that area . Sorry to say , I have only concentrated on the Victoria Public House side of the road but will certainly pass anything I find on to you regarding your pub..The Royal Oak .
Thanks to Hanes Teula also who has helped on various topics of mine through the years .