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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Keziah2 on Sunday 23 September 18 10:39 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find out just how many hotels Arthur Flatman (born c1848) owned in London in the late 1800's/early 1900s. To date I have:
Norfolk Hotel, Clifton Hotel (Welbeck Street), the Park Gate Hotel (Stanhope Terrace, Hyde Park), the Tudor Hotel (Oxford Street) . In 1898 an advert in the St James Gazette 14 September states that he is also the Manager of the Alexandra Hotel, Hyde Park Corner.
Have just found something that suggests he or his son Arthur FC also had something to do with the Queens Hotel, Upper Norwood. Arthur may also have rented out various apartments as well as owning hotels. A vague link possibly to the Royal Victoria Hotel, St Leonards on Sea.
Can anyone confirm his link to the Queens, the Royal Victoria or any other hotel & perhaps enlighten me on any other business interests this man had - he is looking increasingly like London's version of a certain American President ;D
Many thanks
K
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The London Daily News - Saturday 18 March 1905 has an advert stating that the Queens Hotel, Upper Norwood was under entirely new management.
The Norwood News - Saturday 05 March 1910 has an article on the Queens Hotel, Upper Norwood which states the hotel was owned by the Law Guarantee Society, and the licence was held by a Miss Waite.
Stan
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Thanks Stan
K
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Surrey and/or London street directories 1867-1911 list it as "The Queen's Hotel Co Lim". Simply as "The Queen's Hotel" from 1913, but they could just be saving ink. Rarely are managers' names given, but it does mean it was registered and directors/owners should be named. TNA has:
Board of Trade: Companies Registration Office: Files of Dissolved Companies. Company No: 1877; Queen's Hotel Company (Upper Norwood) Ltd. Incorporated in 1860. Dissolved before 1916.
Held by: The National Archives - Board of Trade and successors
Date: 1860 - 1916
Reference: BT 31/480/1877
Subjects: Trade and commerce
I thought came across an index of directors from such documents recently on one fo the paid sites but now of course I can't find it. Maybe someone knows.
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There's an ad in the St James's Gazette of 12 July 1899 for the Tudor Hotel in Oxford Street, manager Arthur FC Flatman. The next ad below is for the Queens Hotel in Upper Norwood and this juxtaposition is possibly the source of your " something that suggests". But there is no obvious connection. An ad for the Nofolk Hotel (manager Arthur Flatman) appears in the same column.
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Thanks Shaun - that explains it.
K
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There's an ad in the St James's Gazette of 12 July 1899 for the Tudor Hotel in Oxford Street, manager Arthur FC Flatman. The next ad below is for the Queens Hotel in Upper Norwood and this juxtaposition is possibly the source of your " something that suggests". But there is no obvious connection. An ad for the Nofolk Hotel (manager Arthur Flatman) appears in the same column.
I think a similar thing may have happened with the Leonard-on-Sea connection.
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Thanks - I think the manager was his son Frederick F C.
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Thanks - I think the manager was his son Frederick F C.
Keziah - which one? Upper Norwood or Leonard on Sea? Or both?
Have you located a will for him which might give more info on the properties?
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The Norfolk was owned by Arthur Flatman sir so the assumption is it is his son managing it.
K
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The 1899 ads clearly state that the Norfolk was managed by Arthur Flatman and the Tudor by Arthur FC Flatman.
The Tudor (87 Oxford Street) was just a few doors away from 97 Oxford Street - known variously as the Palm Club, "The Sinhala" and the West End Supper Club, where Arthur junior kept a "common, ill-governed and disorderly house" for which he was imprisoned for 4 months in 1901.
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Thanks Shaun
Where did you get the bit about Arthur Jnr from please? He was imprisoned in 1916 & 1918 as well & I knew there had been a prison sentence (you quote 4 months) in 1901 but I don't know exactly what for.
many thanks
K
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The 1901 prison sentence information is taken from contemporary newspaper reports (re Arthur Flatman) and confirmed by records concerning the 1913 conviction which note the prior conviction in 1901.
Apart from those convictions he was also given 18 months for larceny at Dover Sessions in July 1923. There are newspaper reports of a further conviction in 1925 for attempting to break into the flat of Miss Edith Kemp, actress, and mentions of involvement in an attempted £50,000 card sharping fraud.
Bankruptcy in 1943 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/36064/page/2841/data.pdf
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Brilliant - grateful thanks. We knew he was trouble we didnt know to what extent. One of the reports I have seen says there were offences in other parts of the country.
K