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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: coplani on Sunday 16 September 18 18:38 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I have been researching my wife's side...Kellys born in Peterhead and have got all the details except for one....A Robert Kelly born 1878 in Peterhead....
Notes on him....
1881 Census...Lived with complete family at 73 Broad St., Peterhead.
1891 Census...73 Broad St., Peterhead...aged 13yrs...Message Boy.
There is a Robert Kelly in the 1901 Census at St. Machar aged 22 yrs...Not him as census says he is a nephew of a Simon Michael and Jane Michael...all born Aberdeen...Definitely wrong one.
1911 Census...There is a Robert Kelly aged 32 in the Merchant Navy...On ship "Hildebrand"....Is this our Robert Kelly.?
Also searched for a marriage for him...Viewed 3 on S.P. and not him!!
Difficult to trace Robert Kelly...
He may have emigrated to the USA or elsewhere.
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1881 Census...Lived with complete family at 73 Broad St., Peterhead.
Who are the members of this family - particularly the parents?
Have you looked for his parents deaths to see who reported them?
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Looks like William Kelly and Catherine Philip(s) are the parents(LDS 1881 Census and births on Familysearch).
ev
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That's correct.....William Kelly and Catherine Philip.
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Hi,
I have been researching my wife's side...Kellys born in Peterhead and have got all the details except for one....A Robert Kelly born 1878 in Peterhead....
There is a Robert Kelly aged 32 in the Merchant Navy...On ship "Hildebrand"....Is this our Robert Kelly?
According to "Ancestry" the R Kelly on board the vessel HILDEBRAND in 1911 was born in Liverpool. HILDEBRAND was registered in Liverpool.
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=gwq10&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=liverpoolcrewlists&gsfn=Robert%20Kelly&gsln=Kelly&cp=0&msrdy=1911&_F0005FD7=hildebrand&new=1&rank=1&redir=false&uidh=yp1&gss=angs-d&pcat=40&fh=33&h=1550549&recoff=5%206&fsk=BEDr70AIgAAJPAAIBUs-61-&bsk=&pgoff=&ml_rpos=34
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Another cul de sac.
That Robert Kelly surely would not tell a lie....
Thanks,
Ian
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Hi there I'm assuming his brothers Alexander and David immigrated to California ?
If this is the same family you might want to check this out
Immigration record for a Rbt Kelly age 22 occupation baker
Departure port Greenock
Arrival 1 September 1900 New York
Ship City of Rome
His last residence was Glasgow ..going to brother in Oakland ( David union bakery )
1903/1905 Robt Kelly /Kelley listed in US City directories occupation baker at Log Cabin Bakery
1910 Census Robert Kelley age 32 single born Scotland occupation baker is lodging at
Oakland Ward 5,Almeda California ( year of immigration 1900)
1920 Census Robert Kelley age 42 single Scotland occupation baker lodging Sacramento Assembly
California
Rosie
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Hi Rosie,
You are correct David and Alexander Kelly both went to America and opened bakery business.
Thank You very much indeed...Looks like Robert Followed his brothers...
Looks like he never got married.
I would never have believed that Robert could be traced...Thank You Rosie and Rootschat.
Ian
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Robert's brother Alexander Kelly died in 1933. His obit mentions his wife, children and brothers David and Robert Kelly. He was buried in Mountain View Cemetery.
Robert's brother David P(Philip) Kelly died in 1960. His obit only mentions his late wife and no mention of Robert. Was Robert already deceased or moved out of the area? David was also buried at Mountain View Cemetery.
Based on the census records and the two obits, all three brothers were bakers
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We have traced descendants of Alexander Kelly....
David married a Mary G, ? and had one child....Also called David Philip Kelly b.1907.
Ian
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Can't seem to find him on the 1930 census ...but there is a death for a Robert Kelley 17/10/1926
Alameda California age 50 birth year out by 2 years ???
Rosie
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Distinct possibility Rosie....This changing name from Kelly to Kelley certainly complicated things and with Kelly being such a common name. (Our Kellys from Peterhead were not Irish for sure)....
As regards 1926...it could have been 1928 as 6 and 8 often get mistaken esp. gravestones...
Another snippit...
1940 census....https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K9ZT-DVR [with image link]
Head David P Kelly M 70 Scotland
Wife Mary Kelly F 63 Scotland
Son Philip Kelly M 33 California
[addy=1835 14th Ave, Oakland - abt 2km ESE of Lake Merritt]
Apparently David, the son known as Philip married a widow who had a son to her previous husband..
Ian
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We have traced descendants of Alexander Kelly....
David married a Mary G, ? and had one child....Also called David Philip Kelly b.1907.
Ian
Birth for David P Kelly 27September 1906 Alameda
Mothers name Grand
Rosie
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Not Grand...but Grant we suspect...There was an Annie Grant in Peterhead who was related to David's wife...
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Possible marriage
D P Kelly
M H Grant
29 September 1900
Alameda California
Rosie
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Thanks again Rosie....
I wonder who the son David Philip Kelly b.1906 (Known as Philip) married. (apparently she was a widow with one son.).
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Think this is his death
Philip Kelly
Birth date 27/9/1906
Died 28/8/1964
El.Dorada
Mothers maiden name Grant
Just going out will have a look for marriage later ...There is another David Philip Kelly born 1911
So big confusing ...making sure we are following the right one
Rosie
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Thanks Rosie...
Yes That's the correct Philip Kelly...Born David Philip Kelly 1906 and Mother was a Grant. (He was known as Philip Kelly to avoid confusion with his father David)....
1940 census....https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K9ZT-DVR [with image link]
Head David P Kelly M 70 Scotland
Wife Mary Kelly F 63 Scotland
Son Philip Kelly M 33 California
[addy=1835 14th Ave, Oakland - abt 2km ESE of Lake Merritt]
Noticed on the Stone....Virginia A. Kelly...Sept 8 1911 - April 24 1998...Must be his wife.
He may have married Virginia after his father died...i.e. after 1960
The David Philip Kelly born 1911.??...Very interesting that one.....Cousin.?
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Thanks again Rosie....
I wonder who the son David Philip Kelly b.1906 (Known as Philip) married. (apparently she was a widow with one son.).
I think this could be possible marriage
Virginia A Holmes age 50
Marriage date 18 August 1962 Alameda
Philip Kelly age 55
Marriage also recorded as Virginia A Stafford
US Social Security Claims
Virginia Alice Kellly
Birth 8 September 1911 Oakland California
Father Joseph T Holmes
Mother Melissa M Ring
You will find her on the 1940 Census as Virginia Stafford with her mother in law Beatrice Stafford
Will PM the sons name
Rosie
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Don't think there is any connection to the other David Philip Kelly born 1911
His father was John Kelly mother Annie J Mercer both born California
Rosie
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Here is the first marriage for Virginia Alice Holmes
5th October 1937
Alameda California
Tracy Dunn Stafford
Death for Tracy Dunn Stafford
Ist November 1951
Mothers name Dunn
Father Stafford
Rosie
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Rosie,
You have done a sterling job.
It now completes the picture of the Kellys from Peterhead.
I've updated my tree, which is rather large.
All the Very Best,
Ian
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Your welcome glad to have been able to help :)
Rosie