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Title: Place name possibly in Wales
Post by: shume on Saturday 08 September 18 12:14 BST (UK)
Could someone please help with the following from Betham Genealogical Abstracts, Top LHS.
I have this so far:

Hume George Rev Tulley Co Fermanagh Clk to Dorothy the wid(ow) of Wm Connelly of ?Delb ?Rin ?
Admon 4 day May 1699.

The eldest son of George Hume and Dorothy was born Ruthvin, Wales if that helps.
Many thanks
Stephanie from Australia
Title: Re: Place name possibly in Wales
Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 08 September 18 13:02 BST (UK)
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Dorothy the wid(ow) of Wm Connelly

or is it perhaps "Dorothy the wid & Wm Connolly" ?
Title: Re: Place name possibly in Wales
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 08 September 18 13:05 BST (UK)
Although it looks like Delb, I think the l is the downstroke from the y of Dorothy on the line above. I did wonder if it was an abbreviation for Denbighshire but I think there  is a letter between the e and the b.

I am not sure if the second word starts with an R or a P. Ruthin is the obvious thought but it doesn't look like an abbreviation or variation of Ruthin.
Title: Re: Place name possibly in Wales
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 08 September 18 13:23 BST (UK)
If it was Wales,I think the only place it could be is Denb(ighshire) Ruthin.

FindMyPast might have some records.  Also try Welsh Wills:

https://www.library.wales/discover/nlw-resources/wills/


Gadget
Title: Re: Place name possibly in Wales
Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 08 September 18 13:30 BST (UK)
I think the first word is Dub - for Dublin.  The next bit is possibly Prin Cred = Principal Creditor.

Compare this from a 1694 document: 
Title: Re: Place name possibly in Wales
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 08 September 18 13:38 BST (UK)
That looks more like it, Shaun  :)
Title: Re: Place name possibly in Wales
Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 08 September 18 13:42 BST (UK)
So it would run like this:

...to Dorothy the wid(ow) and Wm Connolly of Dub(lin), Prin(cipal) Cred(itor)
Title: Re: Place name possibly in Wales
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 08 September 18 14:13 BST (UK)
A couple of burials for a William Connelly, Dublin 1705 and 1730

add - https://tinyurl.com/ycspotky
Title: Re: Place name possibly in Wales
Post by: steiffyok on Saturday 08 September 18 17:18 BST (UK)
Could someone please help with the following from Betham Genealogical Abstracts, Top LHS.
I have this so far:

Hume George Rev Tulley Co Fermanagh Clk to Dorothy the wid(ow) of Wm Connelly of ?Delb ?Rin ?
Admon 4 day May 1699.

The eldest son of George Hume and Dorothy was born Ruthvin, Wales if that helps.
Many thanks
Stephanie from Australia

It is 'Administration Granted' the 4 Day of May 1699, could the abbreviation Clk be Clerk? Wiki mentions Hume under the history of County Fermanagh
Title: Re: Place name possibly in Wales
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 08 September 18 18:17 BST (UK)
Yes it is Clerk.
Title: Re: Place name possibly in Wales
Post by: Bookbox on Saturday 08 September 18 18:34 BST (UK)
For what it's worth, it's 6 Day May 1699 (not 4).
Title: Re: Place name possibly in Wales
Post by: shume on Sunday 09 September 18 00:33 BST (UK)
Thank you everyone for your help: I always had Dorothy Bingham m George Hume but was starting to doubt that when Wm Connelly was mentioned. It makes even more sense because Hume family leased from Connelly estates.
Many thanks...another puzzle solved.
Stephanie
Title: Re: Place name possibly in Wales
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 10 September 18 11:07 BST (UK)
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Yes it is Clerk

Presumably a "Clerk in Holy Orders" = a Church of England bishop, priest or deacon

"Anglican clergy were described as clerks in holy orders or clerks"

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Clergy_of_Church_of_England_(in_England)
Title: Re: Place name possibly in Wales
Post by: shume on Monday 10 September 18 11:42 BST (UK)
Yes he was the Rev George Hume brother of Sir John Hume of Tully, Co Fermanagh
Stephanie (Hume)
Title: Re: Place name possibly in Wales
Post by: Karen McDonald on Monday 10 September 18 12:17 BST (UK)
I know I sometimes see things which aren't there  ::) but I simply can't see Wm Connelly here...

OK, so clerks were not always consistent in their handwriting, but the "W" is nothing like the one at the beginning of "Waterford" in the next entry below.

Also...and I could be wrong!...to me it looks more like "formally" than "Connelly" (...formally of Dub...).

Just my two penn'th...  :)

Karen