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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: Victor on Sunday 01 August 04 12:08 BST (UK)
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I am looking for any information on the RUSTON and CHELL familes of Longton. I have the details of George and Harriett Rushton and their children, Sarah Jane, Henry and George from the 1881 census.
The son George went on to be a professional footballer playing for Leek Borough, Bursalem Port Vale, Barrow, Port Vale (again), Brighton, Hull City, Brentford, Swindon and Goole Town. 4 Aug 2004 will be the 100th Anniversary for when he signed for Hull City. George died in Hull in 1964. I would like any information on the other members of the family.
George married Rosanna CHELL in 1900 but was living with Gertrude Bell in Hull in 1909 when they had their first child. I would like to know what happened to Rosanna CHELL George and Gertrude did not marry until 1925. They had 6 children all Hull born
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Ihave a Louisa Chell who married Arthur Bradshaw in June 1893 born Stoke on Trent. Children Arthur, Louie Frances, Herbert Francis, Lilla Stella, Dorothy and Laura. My mother talks of an Aunty Rosa, but I cannot find the connection. Does any of this help you. There maybe a link not proven yet to Lucien Emile Boullemier, who also married a Chell and in 1897 he played football for Port Vale. There is quite a write up about him on Sports History Staffordshire.
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Thanks for your response. At the moment the only Chell I have is Rosa. from what you say she could be a sister to Louisa. The only way to find this out is by looking at the 1891 census for Longton. Unfortunately I don't have access to this census. Do you know the names of Louisa's parents? I could order the marriage certificate of George to Rosa and see if her father's name is the same as Louisa's.
1881 census gives Louisa as daughter of John and Louisa born 1870 at Stoke with siblings Mary(1867), William (1875) and Florence(1877). Rosa could have been born after 1881 census. If we are talking about the same Rosa her marriage to George may have been only brief.
I would be interested in reading the Sports History Staffordshire. Do you know if George Rushton is mentioned here? George and Lucien may not have been at the club at the same time but they could be brothers in law. How would I access Sports History Staffordshire (is it on line?)
I am trying to find George Rushton's birth date. It has been mentioned as October 1880 but George's second marriage certificate of 1925 gives his age as 43 and his gravestone, in Hull when he died in 1964, states he was 82. Both these ages could be wrong as it would give his date of birth as 1882
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The Louisa Chell I have was also born in 1870 sister Florence and Mary ,Brother William B. M. Chell mother Louisa Chell but father Edward Chell who was born in abt 1842 in Shelton, Stafford - China Gilder Mer. Their address on the 1881 census was 25, Havelock Street, Stafford. The site for Boullemier is http://www.Staffs.ac.uk/schools/humanities then type in his name
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A little error in my message. The father as you say is Edward. We are both looking at the same census page. I will have a look at the url you have posted but have also found details of Lucien in Google and have copied these as he could be a brother in law of George Rushton. I have sent a message to the researcher of Lucien's biography.
Now all that is needed is to look at the 1891 census to see if Rosa has the same parents as Louisa and if the latter is listed at the same address.
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A little more information Florence Chell married Louis Henk, whose parents were German- and on BMD Lucien Emile Boullemier married a Mary Emily Chell whereas our Chell is Mary A Chell - but my mother was always told that there were French and German connections in the family, so maybe our Chell married one of the brothers. I was told there was an Auntie Rosalie and an uncle Louis, - therefore you could presume that Rosalie was Rosanna. Hope this makes sense to you.
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Not sure if you have this from 1871
RG10-2862/12
Shelton;Stoke on Trent;ecc dist Stoke Rectory
25 Havelock St
Edward Chell,head,m,29,gilder,Hanley,Staffs
Louisa Chell,wife,m,27,paintress,Stoke on Trent
Mary Ann Chell,dau,4,scholar,Stoke on Trent,Staffs
Louisa Chell,dau,1,Stoke on Trent,Staffs
Sarah Saunders,motherinlaw,W,72,Nottingham
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Thanks for this information. The 1871 census showing the mother in law gives the maiden name of the wife so that is handy.
All I need now is the 1891 census. From 1901 census I have Rosanna Rushton age 20 she was married to George then. There is a marrige ref to these two.
From your inputs the Chell family is getting bigger. I wont be adding these details to my tree yet but have made a note of them and when more pieces of the puzzle emerge then these will be added. But the way things are these appear to be all linked.
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Why don't you try posting under Census Lookup Request for Staffordshire? Paste the 1881 info in the post and it will make it easier. Good luck.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I have done that and someone has got back to me. No names on the census
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Just thought I would mention that Rosa Chell's name is actually Rose Annie - daughter of Ernest and Frances Chell - age 4 months on the 1881 census.The dates certainly tie in with her being 20 when she married George Rushton in 1901.
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Thanks for that information. I dont know how I could have missed that as I have the 1881 census on CD. I was aware about Rose Annie in time this became Rosa. So this rules out the 1871 census details of the Chell family sent previously (different parents). I am inclined to think that Rose Annie and George Rushton married in a Catholic Church and couldnt get a divorce because of this. George married his second wife, Gertrude Bell, in 1925 where he was described as a widower. George and Gertrude had at least 4 children born between 1907 and 1921! There could be 2 more as I have not been able to find the birth details of these. They could be either Roas Annie's or Gertrude's children
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I am inclined to agree with you that they were married in the Catholic Church. Louisa Chell who married Arthur Bradshaw was married at St Peters Roman Catholic Church. Also Boullemier who married Mary Emily Chell also married at that church. I feel that they must be related, but have as yet been unable to find the link. Both Rushton and Boullemier played for Port Vale, it all seems to be too much of a coincidence. If you can find the connection please let me know.
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Interesting what you say about Arthur Bradshaw marrying Louisa Chell. From the BVI2 I have come across James Bradshaw son of John Bradshaw marrying Maria Rushton in St James, Longton on 13 April 1889. Looks as if the Bradshaw, Chell and Rushton families are inter linked. I don't know who Maria's father is so have no connection to Maria.
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Hi Victor
I have been looking on Staffordshire BMD and have found that Arthur Bradshaw and Louisa Chell had a civil marriage in Stoke, and not catholic as I thought. I also noticed a link with John Bradshaw and Maria Rushton its a pity we cannot find definite links. I also found that I have made a mistake with Boullemier, who played for Port Vale, did not in fact marry a Chell, I verified this on Staffordshire BMD. I will keep looking for the link between the families, perhaps at the end of this it will not even be my Bradshaws.
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Hi, in case this is of interest to you, my grandmother has been doing some research into her family history, she is the great grandaughter of the first Louisa Chell who married Max Henk (I believe).
Their daughter Louisa (Louie?)married Arthur Bradshaw. I am not sure how many children the pair had but one of them was Laura, who married Fred Jones and had four children, one of whom is my grandmother who has 3 siblings (1 deceased).
I believe the sister of the second Louisa Chell, or possibly of Laura Jones, married a man named Singh.
[Post edited to remove reference to living people to prevent misuse of their identity]
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Thanks for your message. I have come across the names you have mentioned and will do another look. It is sometime since I have looked into the CHELL family so will have tyo check things up again. I wonder if Louisa is related to Rose Hannah who married George Rushton
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Hi there
I tink you have all your facts wrong. George and Gertrude's first child was born in 1907 and called Emily Grace. They then had another five children, jane, viloet, rebecca, george and joseph. Trust me, i'm related and asked my great aunt, grand daughter of george rushton. Plus i dont think that he did marry rose annie chell as the father of george is different on both the married to her and the marriage to gertrude
sorry
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Thanks for your message.
You are correct in saying George Rushton's first child with Gertrude is Emily Grace.
However you have overlooked the fact that George was married before to Rose Anna Chell. This is shown in the 1901 census and I have a copy of their marriage certificate, which took place on 24 Dec 1900 at Normacote, Staffs which I believe is a Catholic Church
George and Gertrude did not marry until 1925 4 years after their 6th child was born. Their late marriage could be due to Rose Anna being a Catholic and George had to wait until she died before he could marry Gertrude. Their marriage certificate describes George as a widower and Gertrude as a widow. But George's first marriage gives his father's name as George and his second as Thomas. Like you say.
The name Thomas could be wrong. My own father's first marriage certificate gave his father's name wrongly as Thomas when it was George.
George Rushton's grand daughter, Gillian married my nephew Robert Museth
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There is a death of James Bell in the March quarter of 1924 on FreeBMD. This could be Gertrude's husband age 58.
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Hi there
I'm already aware of these facts however i still feel that more research needs to be done to prove the marriage to Miss Chell is correct. How have you proven this? Other marriages around that time to George Rushton included that of Lucy Simmons, Mary Russon, Martha Ann Brooks and Betsy Hassall Bould. Have these deffinately been eliminated?
I appreciate that names may have been mixed up but if this has happened then it gives a different perspective on the family tree. Have you seen a copy of George's birth certificate to verify the father?
Steve
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In relation to James Bell i believe he was born in Little Weighton. If this is the case then there is a strong suggestion that he remarried. On the 1911 Census and on the FreeBMD there was a marriage to Gertrude Annie. Has this possibility been explored?
I'm aware that it was just easier to get remarried then divorced in those days. If the name is wrong then whats to say they didn't lie about their marital status
Steve
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Like you say all these names need to be explored and naturally checked. That was why I posted the message in the first place.
George Rushton was a professional footballer and played for Bursalem Port Vale in the early 1900's. In the 1901 census he was working as a potters carter and his birth place was given as Longton. His wife, also born at Longton was working in a potters warehouse. The census gave both their birth year as 1881.
george then signed for Hull City and will go down in history as their first ever goal scorer. In fact he scored the first two. This was in 1904. My own theory (purely guesswork) is that when George signed for Hull he was a lodger at the Bell family in Bean Street. His wife wouldn't move to Hull and in 1906 he made his landlady, Gertrude, pregnant. Whether James Bell was still in the house I have no idea. In 1909 George was transferred to another club (I have the details of his other clubs) but continued live in Hull. I think a check of the 1911 census should give us more details.
I have recently made a new contact with a Chell family researcher so hopefully they could tell me more.
I have not checked James Bell but YorkshireBMD shows James Bell married Gertrude Foulds in 1903 at St. James Church Hull.
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I have done some further checking with those possible brides you have listed
George m Mary Simmons in 1900. 1901 census gives George's birth year as 1876 at Fenton
George m Martha Brooks in 1901. 1901 census gives George's birth year as 1872 at Cheadle
George m Betsy Bould in 1902 at Leek
George m Rosanna Chell in 1900. 1901 census gives George's birth year as 1800(app) at Longton
Football records shows his birth place as Longton.
I believe his first wife is very likely to be Rosanna as I have on my own records.
This still needs further searching before it can be 100% accurate.
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Iv not been doing this very long and not 100% but there where 2 George Rushton's born in staffordshire around the same time. one son of thomas and one son of george His Head stone says he died in 1964 aged 82 which would mean he was born 1881/2 not 1880 could it not be that they where seperate marrages? im looking for the parents of George but even if i got the certificate i cannot be sure i have the right George rushton in the 1st place. and i dont think it gives many details on death cert!
Thanks for your message.
You are correct in saying George Rushton's first child with Gertrude is Emily Grace.
However you have overlooked the fact that George was married before to Rose Anna Chell. This is shown in the 1901 census and I have a copy of their marriage certificate, which took place on 24 Dec 1900 at Normacote, Staffs which I believe is a Catholic Church
George and Gertrude did not marry until 1925 4 years after their 6th child was born. Their late marriage could be due to Rose Anna being a Catholic and George had to wait until she died before he could marry Gertrude. Their marriage certificate describes George as a widower and Gertrude as a widow. But George's first marriage gives his father's name as George and his second as Thomas. Like you say.
The name Thomas could be wrong. My own father's first marriage certificate gave his father's name wrongly as Thomas when it was George.
George Rushton's grand daughter, Gillian married my nephew Robert Museth
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Laura
Don't worry i have ordered the death certificate of George Rushton so that will give us a definate date of birth. Then i will order the birth certificate and we will be able to clarify all the mistery. I suspect he was born in 1882/3
Steve
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Thank Steve would be greatful if you could email me a copy?? :D will give you some pennies towards. but i think maybe they are getting mixed up with the two especially since the Marriage certs are different and there is a thomas rushton a to much of a coincidence to be a mistake?!?
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Steve
Unfortunately death certificates do not always give dates (or rather year) of birth and when it does it is not always accurate. My fathers death certificate give his birth year as 1889 when it is 1891
I have his birth certificate but it is a question of which George.
Ages on headstones are not always accurate.
Fact of the matter is that George Ruston's football details gives his birth place as Longton.
Victor
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Victor
I appreciate that but i'm not 100% convinced.
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Victor
So what your saying is that you have his birth certificate but not his death?
Surely this would be worth obtaining to clarify issues. I appreciate what you say but you could have any George Rushton's birth certificate as there was a couple born around that time. I know you said about the football records etc but they could just be hearsay.
Steve
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Steve
Yes I have his birth certificate and not his death. I have visited the Chanterlands Office records and looked at his burial details which shows he died on 8 Mar 1964 at 3 Harriet's Terrace, Bean Street and was buried on 11 March at Northern Cemetery.
I don't think his death certificate will give you any more details than that.
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Not to worry. Like I said before I am not 100% certain and until there is more evidence I will keep it as it is.
I have also said that I have a new contact doing the Chell family. This is the first time I have someone on the Chell side and I hope she can come up trumps. I have not had a response from her for a couple of weeks now. Hope she does get back to me.
I have also said we need to look at the 1911 census. That, hopefully, can provide us with some proof.
I have checked FreeBMD, YorkshireBMD and StaffordshireBMD for the birth of Emily Grace Rushton. She is not listed in any of the lists. Until we can find her birth certificate we do not know who her mother is..just checked YorkshireBMD...she is Emily Grace BELL...not George's daughter at all
I have put together details of Georges playing career which came from Swindon Town records
Playing career: Leek Broughs, Burslem Port Vale, Barrow, Burslem Port Vale, Brighton and Hove Albion, Hull City, SWINDON TOWN, Brentford, SWINDON TOWN, Goole Town.
I have prepared a biography of George and can send it to you if you contact me direct at victor@markham.me.uk
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Victor
I have a copy of Emily Grace's birth certificate. There is no father mentioned on the certificate, however her name is recorded as Emily Grace Rushton. She was born on 24th July 1907 at 128 Bean Street. Her mother is named as Gertrude Bell, formally Foulds of no occupation. It was registered on 27th August 1907 in the sub-district of Myton (Hull). Hope this clarifies issues.
I'm interested to get the others. I know my great cousin Linda, Joseph Rushton's daughter is looking into the tree and may have further information.
Steve
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That is strange.
If the father's name is not recorded then her surname will be Bell which is on the YorkshireBMD and registered in Myton
I have copies of the following birth certificates George(1880) George (1911), Jane (1909) and Joseph (1921)
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Victor
Do you mind if i ask what they say?
Steve
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George Rushton 11 Sept 1911 Susannah's Terrace, Bean Street father George Ruston, Professional footballer. Mother Gertrude Rushton formerly Foulds
Jane Ruston 24 June 1909 131 Bean Street rest as above
Joseph Ruston 26 Aug 1921 3 Harriet's Terrace. George Rushton, Dock Labourer. Gertrude as before
From Joseph's birth certificate George lived at 3 Harriet's Terrace until his death in 1964
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Hi again been looking into the 1911 census.
George Rushton age 30 Head Occupation Chauffeur
Rose Annie Rushton age 30 wife Occupation Home Maker
Gladys Maud Rushton age 18 Daughter School
Jacob Rushton Brother age 16 Mould Maker (potters)
Address 4 Gordon St, Stoke upon Trent
How was George a Chauffeur if he was playing Football for Swindon Town From March 1910 - July 1912???
I think there is 2 George Rushtons and who ever wrote the Football thing is mistaken
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That is great you have just confirmed that the George I had was not married to Rose Hannah. That is the sort of information I had been looking for so will now change the details.
I do find one teeny problem with this. The census gives George and Rose age 30 and their daughter age 18 which means her parents were 12 years old when she was born. I think this should read 8 FreeBMD shows a birth of 1903
We now need to find who is George's first wife. The info on the marriage certificate could be false and because of all the children he pretended to be a widower unless he had to provide evidence
As you say there are 2 George's. The football details are correct and we just need to find the right George. looks as if I will have to delete all the Chell names I have.
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Im not sure i understand your reply. I think the 8 and 18 part you are Correct.
However. If this george Rushton was living in stoke on trent in 1911 with Rose Annie (nee Chell) and there children. How was it he Had children with Gertrude as you stated in a previous post? are you saying George Rushton (footballer) did not marry Chell and may have been married to someone else previous? that would make the information on the internet "George married Rosanna CHELL in 1900 but was living with Gertrude Bell in Hull in 1909 when they had their first child. I would like to know what happened to Rosanna CHELL George and Gertrude did not marry until 1925. They had 6 children all Hull born" incorrect well some of it anyway!
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Let me clarify things a bit.
Until now I had assumed George (the footballer) had married Rose Chell. You have found that this is not the case from the 1911 census. I have checked this census but couldn't find the footballer there.
Since George did not marry Rose and on his marriage certificate, when he married Gertrude, he was described as a widower. I have a copy of this certificate. Gertrude was also described as a widow. This means they both had been married before. One reason why they could not marry before 1925 could be because James was alive and either he refused to agree to a divorce or was a Catholic so she had to wait until he had died. There is a death for James aged 58 in 1924. Whether this was Gertrude's James we may never know.
What I need to do know is try and find George in the 1911 census and also Gertrude as either Bell/Foulds or Rushton. I will do another search for George in the 1901 census
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I have carried put some further checking.
I can now confirm that Rose Chell is George Rushton (the footballer) wife.
The fact that he is listed in the 1911 census as a chauffeur does not exclude his abilities to play football for Swindon Town. Footballers in those days earned very little money. Also George has two families the other being his children by Gertrude in Hull
The clue is in the 1911 census which lists Jacob Rushton as brother of George aged 16. Jacob is listed in the 1901 census age 6 with his father George and mother Elizabeth. I have details of George (the footballers father) as having married Elizabeth Washington. In the 1901 census are listed step children Robert and Beatrice Washington as well as Jacob
So we have here
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George Rushton age 30 Head Occupation Chauffeur
Rose Annie Rushton age 30 wife Occupation Home Maker
Gladys Maud Rushton age 18 Daughter School
Jacob Rushton Brother age 16 Mould Maker (potters)
Address 4 Gordon St, Stoke upon Trent
2 Gertrude Bell (or Rushton depends on how she appears in the census)
Emily Grace Bell (or Rushton) age 4
Jane Rushton aged 2
Rebecca Rushton age 1
All that is needed now is to find Gertrude's family in the 1911 census
I have done a search but have not found anything and not bought any credits (not sure if I have the right Gertrude or whether it will be Bell or Rushton) I will try and visit the National Archives and check the census there. Unfortunately I am unable to do it this coming week
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I cannot find gertrudes family in the census either. after 1891, Im still looking into Georges family as i never had the mother as elizabeth.
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Elizabeth is George's step mother. His mother is Harriet Weston, who died in 1899, and George's father married Elizabeth Barnes on 28 Dec 1900. I have the marriage certificate.
Elizabeth was a widow having previously married Stephen Washington who died in 1894
I did say before that Elizabeth's children were listed as Step Children to George (sr)
I have the census of 1861, 1881, 1891 and 1901 for the Rushton family
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Hi
Buried in Longton Cemetery
Charles, h/o Ethel RUSHTON,
21 Jervis St, Adderley Green, Longton,
who was killed at the Mossfield Colliery, Longton,
21 March 1940, 24
John Henry RUSHTON, of Longton, 25 Nov 1885, 35
Alice Emma, d, 5 Nov 1883, 8yrs & 5 months
Lydia, w/o above, 16 Dec 1938, 82
Henry, h/o Mary Jane RUSHTON,
20 Packet Street, Fenton, 15 Sept 1936, 68
Mary Jane, above, 11 Feb 1942, 69
Minni, d, 28 May 1913, 17
Regards
Alf
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Trust me, i'm related and asked my great aunt, grand daughter of george rushton.
Steve
I presume your great Aunt is either Maureen or Vivian Hoyles? Thanks for that photo of George and Gertrude you put on this chat list. I downloaded that and sent a copy to my niece, who printed it out and passed it on to my sister who in turn passed it on to another Great Aunt of yours...Gillian Hoyles. Gillian married my nephew Robert Museth. They don't have a computer hence the roundabout route of the photo.
I saw my sister today who told me Gillian is absolutely delighted to have a photo of her grand parents and has framed it. So I am passing on my thanks to you for this.
Do you have any idea as to when the photo was taken? My sister thinks it was late 1930's or early 40's (by the clothes they were wearing)
Do you have any more photos of George and Gertrude Rushton. I am sure Gillian would like to have a copy of these. My niece says that Gillian looks just like Gertrude. If you do have any more photos I think it may be best to send them direct to me (if you are prepared to) I am not sure how we can send private messages on this rooteschat. I will give you my email address if you would like it as we do appear to have the same relatives on our trees
Victor